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Re:Prove me wrong! by lixtra on Sunday October 14, 2018 @10:29AM (#18213026)
In highschool we had the same example. Back then we required cells to call something living. A virus is not alive.

I don’t see how to define organism without cells.

Re:Prove me wrong! by NavnitG on Sunday October 14, 2018 @10:37AM (#18213064)
Even scientists are unsure about the status of viruses. Why can't fire have the same unsure status? XD
Re:Prove me wrong! by smt88 on Sunday October 14, 2018 @10:54AM (#18213147)
This is a semantic argument. The outcome depends on how you define "living".

Any definition that includes fire (i.e. hot air) is so broad that it makes the word "living" meaningless and useless. If you included fire, you'd perhaps have to include water or any other fluid.

Re:Prove me wrong! by NavnitG on Sunday October 14, 2018 @11:12AM (#18213271)
The argument cannot be made for water as it does not respire or digest. Yes, the definition of life that fire fits in is broad. But it is still the definition of life.
Re:Prove me wrong! by smt88 on Sunday October 14, 2018 @07:11PM (#18216122)
I don't know how you define "respire", but water dissolves and releases gases. Fire is a gas, so it can't "respire" the same way. It is just one gas or another.

As for digestion, water is a powerful solvent that breaks many things down. Fire just heats them up, which may or may not change their chemical structure.

Re:Prove me wrong! by NavnitG on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:58AM (#18219674)
Fire takes in Oxygen and gives out CO2. That is respiration. Fire converts fuel into energy. That is digestion.
Re:Prove me wrong! by smt88 on Monday October 15, 2018 @08:12PM (#18225302)
You do not know what fire is. I'm serious. You should look it up.

For starters, you're confusing combustion with fire.

Re:Prove me wrong! by cimmanom on Sunday October 14, 2018 @03:35PM (#18214749)
Life is a system that decreases entropy locally. Fire increases entropy locally.
Re:Prove me wrong! by NavnitG on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:56AM (#18219649)
Interesting...
Re:Prove me wrong! by Finnucane on Sunday October 14, 2018 @10:44AM (#18213094)
Living organisms are a subset of fire—controlled exothermic processes. But when your exothermic process becomes uncontrollable, your life-force is used up quickly.
Re:Prove me wrong! by NavnitG on Sunday October 14, 2018 @10:54AM (#18213149)
Damn... That's deep. Totally agree.