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Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by mikeash on Thursday October 11, 2018 @02:06PM (#18195725)
2FA over SMS is fine. It’s not the most secure thing, but it’s an improvement over just having a password.

The problem is when people forget the “2” part and allow SMS to be a substitute for having the password. That should never be done.

The related problem is that, as a used, it’s hard to tell when some service wants your number for proper 2FA, or when they want it as a separate authentication mechanism they just happen to call “2FA.”

Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by ilikepi on Thursday October 11, 2018 @02:43PM (#18196006)
> ...it’s hard to tell when some service wants your number for proper 2FA, or when they want it as a separate authentication mechanism they just happen to call “2FA.”

...or when they want it to be able to call or text you with other BS entirely. I hesitate to give my cell number to any company. I have a separate number (formerly a landline, now strictly a voicemail box) that I use specifically for companies.

I gave my cell number to a new dentist recently, thinking "medical office, probably important they be able to reach me." That turned out to be a mistake. They subscribed me to an automated appointment confirmation service, and they also send me a text (from a different number than the confirmation service) after I finish a visit to solicit reviews. This is exactly why I hate giving it out.

Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by hnaccy on Thursday October 11, 2018 @04:06PM (#18196647)
Just today Google prevented me from logging in with the correct password and asked for a phone number as additional verification. Any phone number.

The account has no associated number so it's not a verification at all!

Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by cataflam on Thursday October 11, 2018 @04:54PM (#18196953)
That's not for your benefit, that's for them to verify you're a human / not a spammer / collect information (at least that seems like the most reasonable explanation to me).
Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by floatboth on Thursday October 11, 2018 @03:32PM (#18196360)
The "best" part is password recovery — where SMS is typically the "second factor" to a completely insecure "secure question"
Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by Terr_ on Thursday October 11, 2018 @05:12PM (#18197073)
It frustrates me how almost every company's "secure question" system is utterly retarded and recklessly dangerous.

1. They draw from fixed unimaginative pools of often-overlapping questions, so that a breach in one company compromises you on multiple others.

2. Unlike a password, the actual secret question is often plaintext

If I had to design a replacement... The user would always be allowed to define custom questions, all questions could be assigned multiple synonymous correct answers (e.g. "Dr. Smith", "Doctor Smith"), and they all go through a one-way hash with salt.

Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by palunon on Thursday October 11, 2018 @04:04PM (#18196626)
You have no obligation to answer the secure questions truthfully, or not to write a long random string of text... Starting with "Do not accept the answer if I can't spell this exactly" in case a human gets involved...
Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by jandrese on Thursday October 11, 2018 @07:45PM (#18197951)
Of course you'll be SOL if you legitimately lose your password and the answers to those questions.
Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by psergeant on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:47PM (#18199043)
Sounds like a good reason to use a password manager and good backups to store them?
Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by z3t4 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @02:27PM (#18195893)
If you register your phone nr your password basically get useless as someone can remotely (from another country even) steal your phone number and then reset your password.
Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by mulmen on Thursday October 11, 2018 @02:44PM (#18196016)
That would be one factor, no?
Re:Listen to a SIM-Jacking, Account-Stealing Ransom by z3t4 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @07:06PM (#18197746)
I mean if SMS is not just used as second factor, but also used for password reset/override, it basically become a one factor. So yes.