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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by deknos on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @12:19PM (#18186311)
So, if - microsoft de-debts every developer which got into financial trouble like perhaps with US 6041345 and

- i as an independent developer who only publishes code under bsd-2-clause-license or agpl3+ or Apache or MIT-license

- can reimplement

- (arbitrarily big parts of)

- Active Directory, VFAT, FAT, NTFS, MTP, RDP so my application can interact with it, not only from Windows, but from Linux or BSD also

- and i do not have to be in the OIN club, because i have no money for it or i even do not know about it

- then i will believe this move is sincere.

Is there already a complete free C#-Compiler available for posix systems, which can be recompiled without non-free parts from microsoft?

Will their office suite in the future really support an open data standard like ODF? because they kind of ditched their own standard.

With Active Directory and Windows, they keep people from really switching to open source on the desktop. and they know it. And of course, THAT part is exempted from their OIN-Initiave.

I would like to have meaningful examples what they opensourced, what they do not primarily need for cloud, but what benefits open source in general, like on the desktop or office applications.

But i have to admit, i am really starting to hope, microsoft is only a normal company, not especially opensource-hating-one anymore. could be. time will tell. would be nice. Really hereIsMeHoping

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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by oropolo on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @12:23PM (#18186359)
> Is there already a complete free C#-Compiler available for posix systems, which can be recompiled without non-free parts from microsoft

Is the Apache 2 licensed Roslyn compiler not free enough for you? https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn

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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by jpic on Thursday October 11, 2018 @08:51AM (#18193047)
I feel so much compassion for the developers of Roslyn, that were dictated to "re-implement the bugs from the proprietary version in the open source version".
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by breakingcups on Friday October 12, 2018 @03:13AM (#18199836)
Can you provide a source for that? I'm interested in learning what kind of bugs would need to be re-implemented.
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by scw on Friday October 12, 2018 @06:40PM (#18205230)
Check out: https://medium.com/microsoft-open-source-stories/how-microso...
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by deknos on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @12:51PM (#18186645)
further on, can be the z3 theorem prover built only with free software?
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by SSLy on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @03:03PM (#18187901)
Of course.
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by AsyncAwait on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @03:25PM (#18188056)
There's still no OSS debugger.
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by kevingadd on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @03:59PM (#18188338)
mono has had debugging tools (including a graphical debugger in monodevelop) for like... a decade? more?
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by AsyncAwait on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:26PM (#18189063)
I meant from MS. Also see https://blog.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2017/02/15/rider-eap-17-nu...
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by gameswithgo on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:51PM (#18189234)
MS owns xamarin now, so I think also mono?
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by AsyncAwait on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @06:18PM (#18189442)
Mono is not .NET Core.
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by gameswithgo on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:11AM (#18193660)
I know it isn't.
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by rodrigokumpera on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:51PM (#18189228)
Mono is MS.
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by AsyncAwait on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @06:18PM (#18189440)
I am talking about the .NET Core debugger, see https://blog.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2017/02/15/rider-eap-17-nu...
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by deknos on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @12:45PM (#18186582)
cool, there really seem to be steps.

further: Can i reimplement server/client functions of the caldav stack and have my own push notifications for mail?

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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by AnonymousPlanet on Thursday October 11, 2018 @03:38AM (#18191594)
One of my major pain points with Microsoft is the (often needless) interdependence between their proprietary products. This has the effect of MS spreading like a cancer through any org that carelessly takes on any of their technology. So far, no part of their much lauded "openess" put even a chink into this. That makes me very skeptical of their sincerity.

I believe we should not get ahead of ourselves cheering Microsoft on. So far they have not shown that they improved their overall behaviour. They just have gotten better in marketing their moves to the likes of us developers.

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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by setquk on Thursday October 11, 2018 @03:53AM (#18191660)
Agree. They are still only after market dominance as any other corporate entity is. This is evident from them burning their own office UWP apps in favour of Android and iOS. Their own marketing vision sacrificed before you, and not the first time.
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by nikofeyn on Thursday October 11, 2018 @07:46AM (#18192655)
that's not true at all. the entire point of .net core is to address this very issue with the .net framework.
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by ohthehugemanate on Thursday October 11, 2018 @02:28AM (#18191338)
Point of order: the OIN club is free to join. It was founded to protect Linux related businesses from Microsoft patent trolls. The requirements are (IANAL) compatible with your existing policy of releasing everything under an open source license. you can (and should) join.
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by Brakenshire on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @02:38PM (#18187687)
Office already supports ODF, it’s necessary to bid for government work in the UK.
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by oever on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @04:39PM (#18188638)
The ODF support is lacking. There is no official seal of approval for ODF compliance.
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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by AsyncAwait on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @03:26PM (#18188063)
Yes, but not very well.
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