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Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by chrisco255 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @06:12AM (#18174618)
Assuming you don't have healthcare insurance, which 90% of Americans do, it would set you back around $3000, according to: https://www.parents.com/pregnancy/considering-baby/financing...
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by gambiting on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @06:17AM (#18174641)
But if I understand it correctly, for some unfathomable reason American health insurance policies usually have a deductible on them - so even if you are insured, you could still be paying few thousand dollars out of your pocket, no? That's insane.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by gwright on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @09:03AM (#18175545)
There are lots of problems with the American health system, but the concept of a deductible for insurance isn't one of them. Insurance without deductible is really a pre-payment plan for "normal" expenses (along with its administrative overhead) wedded to a true insurance plan.

Half (or more of) the battle in these public policy discussions is coming to an agreement on terms.

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by vinay427 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @07:22AM (#18174964)
Lots of insurance plans in other industries have deductibles in other countries, and the US certainly isn't unique in this respect. For example, deductibles are the norm in health insurance plans in Switzerland, which has a system not all that different from that in the US.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by snovv_crash on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @01:02PM (#18177681)
In Switzerland the deductible is annual, not per visit. Once you hit that cap, everything is free (except voluntary cosmetic stuff).

Thus, insurance actually acts like insurance, like car insurance or fire insurance, there to catch you in a bad situation, not to give you discounts on your day-to-day expenses.

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by s3nnyy on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @03:31AM (#18182769)
It's not like this in the US?

In Switzerland there is a deductible for adults but everything connected to pregnancy and child-birth is deductible-free. Also, kids below 18 yrs old have mandatory insurance that is has no deductible, thus treatments for them are free.

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by snovv_crash on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @10:27AM (#18185141)
In the US the deductible is different depending on the treatment required. Defeats the purpose of insurance in my opinion.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by s3nnyy on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @10:37AM (#18185235)
So if you have a disease/accident that costs $100k to treat, how much is the deductible? If it's like $5k, it's okay.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by snovv_crash on Friday October 12, 2018 @08:57AM (#18201076)
I've seen people paying 30% of hospital bills with "full coverage" insurance. The insurance doesn't actually insure you, they just give discounts for a monthly subscriber fee. It is really really stupid.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by s3nnyy on Friday October 12, 2018 @09:01AM (#18201098)
I heard, doctors make 2-3x than in Switzerland. Someone has to pay for that I guess.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by vinay427 on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @01:23PM (#18187012)
It's still a deductible and is comparable in coverage to a single deductible if you choose lower deductibles for each type.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by snovv_crash on Friday October 12, 2018 @09:01AM (#18201094)
Yes, but compared to Switzerland there is no annual cap. If you have 3 medical incidents in the same year you pay the deductible on each. This means the insurance doesn't actually protect you from financial ruin if enough bad stuff happens to you, thus defeating the point of the insurance all together.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by JauntTrooper on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @07:59AM (#18175158)
My wife's C-section delivery in the Bay Area cost ~$2,100 out of pocket. We had very good insurance.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by chrisco255 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:46PM (#18178711)
Bay Area is arguably the most expensive place in the country, so it's not indicative of U.S. as a whole.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by pc86 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @08:50AM (#18175468)
It's much easier to have an intelligent and reasonable conversation about something if you avoid the editorializing and hyperbole by calling everything you may disagree with "unfathomable" and "insane."
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by dagw on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @06:18AM (#18174651)
it would set you back around $3000

That's an average. The problem is the huge variance. Also just because you have heath insurance doesn't necessarily mean your insurance will pick up the tab.

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by jandrese on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @09:25AM (#18175728)
There are health plans that don't cover a childbirth?
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by sailfast on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @09:51AM (#18175948)
Because of the affordable care act, no (thankfully, as pregnancy was a pre-existing condition) but your insurance may not cover a doctor or hospital which could (even accidentally) add up to thousands of dollars. Ask who people are when they walk into your room, and whether their treatment is covered depending on your insurance.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by sailfast on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @08:10PM (#18180892)
Not sure why this got downvoted - pre-existing conditions are covered by law but that doesn’t mean the procedure at that hospital is covered at the same level as an in-network shop.

I’ve been charged out of network at an in-network hospital because the physician didn’t identify themselves or their network. If they’re not your primary doc it might be worth asking for someone who is covered to save you hundreds or thousands of dollars.

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by jstanley on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @06:19AM (#18174657)
So is that the normal case? The median birth results in the parents paying $3000? That still seems absurd.

Do most people just decide to do it at home and take the risk?

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by dagw on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @06:37AM (#18174759)
People save up for having a kid the way they save up for anything else expensive. Also most hospitals are 'kind' enough to allow you to set up a payment plan so you can pay it off over a few years.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by chrisco255 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @06:46AM (#18174801)
No, normal case is your or your husband's insurance pays for it

Deductibles can vary wildly depending on someone's insurance plan. However, there are a myriad of financing options, charities, etc if for some reason you can't afford that.

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @07:21AM (#18174962)
https://www.parents.com/pregnancy/considering-baby/financing...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-26/sky-high-...

I would estimate the vast majority of people in the US need to budget at least $5k for a baby, if everything goes right. It would be better to have $10k cash though depending on prenatal visits, c section possibility, and multitude of other costs that can arise.

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by gutnor on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @06:34AM (#18174731)
Does healthcare insurance pay for that in the US ? In the EU, this is considered a personal life-choice procedure and very rarely handled by insurances - like cosmetic surgery. (being the EU though, you can get it for free using public healthcare)
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by maeln on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @07:04AM (#18174883)
It's not the case in most EU country I visited. In France, giving birth is 100% free, even if you have to go to a private clinic/hospital.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by gutnor on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @07:34AM (#18183828)
There may be a confusion here, I'm referring at Private Healthcare and not Public Healthcare run by a private company.

Spain sometimes subcontract public healthcare to private hospital. However from a patient point of view, you are still treated as a public healthcare patient (i.e. you pay through your tax and the government has a specific financial agreement with the company running the hospital).

Otherwise I'm confused by France model. What's the business model of a Private Hospital is they receive no money neither from the Government nor insurances nor their patient ?

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by etiennemarcel on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @11:54AM (#18186081)
The French system is hybrid. There's public and private health insurance, and public and private hospitals.

For everyday care the public health insurance reimburses 70% and the private health insurance the remainder.

For more serious procedures (such as a baby delivery) the public health insurance reimburses 100% of the fees. The prices are fixed by law, the practitioner can charge more (if it's a private hospital) but then the private health insurance will have to pay the difference.

The public health insurance is paid through taxes (I think something like 5 to 10% of the salary?) and the private health insurance is between 50 to 100e depending on your family and coverage (glasses, teeth, etc.)

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by jstanley on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @06:36AM (#18174753)
I'm only familiar with the UK, but the NHS absolutely deals with births for "free".
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by stevekemp on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @07:19AM (#18174949)
We paid €200-300 in Finland, to receive a private room for mother, father, and baby for a few days post-birth.

I think we'd have been given a shared room for free, but at the time it seemed like a good choice to make.

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by dagw on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @06:51AM (#18174827)
Sure, but if you for some reason don't want to give birth at an NHS hospital then your health insurance probably won't cover the costs of a private hospital.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by hef19898 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:31AM (#18176258)
In which country? I don't know of any. Except for added services like a private room and stuff like that are more comfort oriented than medical.
Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by gutnor on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @12:51PM (#18177564)
The UK and Spain have a private health sector with Clinics, GP, ... To access those you either need to pay cash or have a private health insurance.

Both the UK and Spain have also a public health sector, with Clinics, GP, ... that is accessible for free.

In the UK and Spain, very few private health insurances covers Birth or Emergency Care: for those you are supposed to go to the public service or pay cash in a private clinic.

Other countries like Belgium have health insurances that give you the kind of extra comfort you mention. But they cost something like 5 EUR a month vs the 100 EUR in Spain and the UK.

Re:The Bermuda Triangle of Wealth by maxxxxx on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:31AM (#18176254)
On average yes but if there are complications or the hospital does some billing shenanigans it may cost you much more and there is almost no way to protect yourself from that other than just having a lot of money.