As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans are beginning to worry

Re:As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans ar... by coldtea on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @05:52AM (#18174543)

>Most of the bases were well welcomed during the cold war

Only if you never bothered to ask the center- and left-inclined population of each country (which was quite substantial) -- and ignored the protests against them.

And with the help of a few interventions (e.g. in Italy) and dictatorships (e.g. in Greece) imposed when needed to keep some pro-US goons in government.

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Re:As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans ar... by xyzal on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:09AM (#18176083)

As a Czech citizen I only regret the bases were not built a few hundered kilometers more to the east. Forty years under Russian influence were devastating to my country.

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Re:As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans ar... by CamperBob2 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @08:12AM (#18175231)

Of course, we are now beginning to understand just how good the Russians are at agitprop, misdirection, false-flag rabble-rousing, and general social subversion.

Just how much of the European "protest culture" of the 1970s and 1980s actually grew organically, without covert Soviet backing?

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Re:As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans ar... by saiya-jin on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @11:12AM (#18176562)

Soviets did back leftist movements across western Europe, and CIA backed dissent in eastern Europe. And each were trying to eliminate other's pawns in the game. So what? This never starts in vacuum, no protest movement gains momentum in a happy population.

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Re:As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans ar... by v_lisivka on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:27AM (#18176233)

Zero.

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Re:As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans ar... by CamperBob2 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @07:30PM (#18180697)

OK, that's one vote for 'zero', from a place that didn't allow the people to vote at all during the time period in question. Anyone else?

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Re:As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans ar... by pvaldes on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @10:35AM (#18185218)

Ad-hominem fallacy. The fact that some people didn't were allowed to choose politics in some time somewhere (like for example all women in Europe and USA until the last generations), does not imply that their opinion about a political theme is automatically tainted, wrong or insignificant.

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Re:As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans ar... by coldtea on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @09:09AM (#18175599)

>Just how much of the European "protest culture" of the 1970s and 1980s actually grew organically, without covert Soviet backing?

A, yes, it was the Russians all along, which, retroactively also proves that they control the world now from some building in St. Petersburg. And when they get some friendly lackey in power like Yeltsin again and be buddies and everything, there will be another enemy du jour, arabs (just not the Saudis) are good for that.

It's not like there ever was a very strong European left movement (or an American one for that matter), or that people in different countries in Europe have devoted their lives, risked careers, gone to prison, even tortured or executed for being pro-communist (or perhaps they did all that because they were paid)...

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Re:As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans ar... by def_true_false on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @11:26AM (#18176690)

> ... people in different countries in Europe have devoted their lives, risked careers, gone to prison, even tortured or executed for being pro-communist

Or, if they happened to be in Eastern Europe, for being anti-communist... funny how that works.

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Re:As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans ar... by coldtea on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:17PM (#18178444)

Well, the grass is always greener. Funny also how many ex-eastern blocers say they preferred those times though...

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Re:As Chinese investment pours into the EU, the Europeans ar... by FeloniousHam on Monday October 15, 2018 @12:54PM (#18221389)

Only ironic if you discount nostalgia from every generation. I too prefer the social media-and-screen-free life of Cold War America, with the closer and stricter family structure that existed then. But I would not trade the mobility, agency, choice, and convenience of the modern age for those rosy memories.

I say categorically: no non-ideological ex-Eastern Blocer wishes to return to the lower standard of living and simple lack of options imposed by Soviet rule, regardless of what hardship the iron fist of US hegemony imposes.

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