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Re:Madrid announces new rules of the road in bid to banish t... by jcranmer on Saturday October 06, 2018 @02:16PM (#18156439)
Go ahead and ask NYC if you can build a single-family detached home across the street from Central Park. It's against the zoning regulations, even if you bought the land to do that. Do people call that regulation anti-house? No. People accept the fact that a city like NYC is so starved for space, and SFDH is a massive waste of space.

But turn around and do anything to take into account that SOVs are the most space-inefficient form of transit, and you are immediately labelled anti-car. Congestion charges or adding tolls? Anti-car. Parking restrictions? Anti-car (especially because people complain there's not enough parking spaces as is). Charge residents for parking permits? Anti-car. Add bus or HOV lanes? Anti-car. Spend a dime on improving public transit? Anti-car (why are you wasting money on public transit no one uses instead of the congested highways).

Yes, banning cars outright is one of the most extreme options. But the sheer sense of entitlement among drivers means that all the other options that have been suggested have been resisted with as much force. The only acceptable compromise is to cater specifically to their whims, and maybe in tandem help public transit at the same time. Of course, if there's any budget overrun on such a joint project, all of the transit improvements are the first things to get axed.

Re:Madrid announces new rules of the road in bid to banish t... by halbritt on Saturday October 06, 2018 @05:02PM (#18157249)
Hell, I'm not anti-car. I love cars. Been a gear-head all my life, have done various kinds of motorsports hobbies, autocross, offroading, etc.

Even still, the extent to which our society has become subservient to automobiles simply blows my mind.

Nah, I'm not anti-car. I'm anti-car entitlement and think the expectation that others should bear the external costs of an automobile friendly society is silly.

Re:Madrid announces new rules of the road in bid to banish t... by kareemsabri on Saturday October 06, 2018 @03:09PM (#18156704)
I'm anti-car, for the record. I don't drive in cities, and I think the costs of congestion, parking, noise, and pollution should be borne by those who do.

Edit: I did, in fact, say "anti-car".

Re:Madrid announces new rules of the road in bid to banish t... by closeparen on Saturday October 06, 2018 @05:46PM (#18157436)
> I don't drive in cities

A tiny proportion of any US metro area's real estate supports this lifestyle. Usually either the most expensive, or the most hurt by gentrification and displacement. It's not a generalizable strategy without huge changes in zoning, public housing finance, and public transit infrastructure. I think we should make those changes, I vote for every pro-housing candidate and every transportation funding measure, but they are prerequisites. You can't turn off the old system before the new one is ready.

Re:Madrid announces new rules of the road in bid to banish t... by CalRobert on Sunday October 07, 2018 @06:08PM (#18162886)
Not sure those areas really qualify as "metropolitan", then. The US has effectively no real cities. It has parking lots with mayors.
Re:Madrid announces new rules of the road in bid to banish t... by kareemsabri on Saturday October 06, 2018 @06:32PM (#18157674)
Agreed. I'm anti-car personally, but I wouldn't force my choice on the entire nation certainly. Or even the entire city.
Re:Madrid announces new rules of the road in bid to banish t... by dredmorbius on Saturday October 06, 2018 @03:50PM (#18156907)
I never used the phrase "anti-car"

Somebody posting under your username did:

Lot of anti-car folks on here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18155579

Re:Madrid announces new rules of the road in bid to banish t... by kareemsabri on Saturday October 06, 2018 @03:53PM (#18156938)
Whoops.
Re:Madrid announces new rules of the road in bid to banish t... by Evidlo on Saturday October 06, 2018 @05:50PM (#18157455)
SOV - single occupancy vehicle

HOV - high occupancy vehicle