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Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by marcosdumay on Friday October 05, 2018 @03:07PM (#18150857)
> somebody that wants to rob you could just stand in front of the car

As opposed to placing some rocks on the street like they do now?

> why should s/he wait to cross the street if s/he knows that the car that is nearing has an anti-collision/auto-break system?

Why do them wait now? Current cars stop too.

Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by travisjungroth on Friday October 05, 2018 @03:19PM (#18150958)
I saw someone criticize self-driving cars by saying that if someone just covered a stop sign, the car wouldn't know to stop. This is different than the status quo how?
Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by ceejayoz on Friday October 05, 2018 @03:31PM (#18151034)
The status quo is "a large number of drivers will recognize that the intersection should probably have one and at least exercise some caution".

It should be able to program a self-driving car with a) a database of known intersections and their conditions as a fallback and b) to evaluate the conditions of an upcoming intersection for safety even without the requisite signage.

Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by fossuser on Friday October 05, 2018 @05:05PM (#18151754)
I'd suspect they do that already - based on what I've read they're not relying entirely on signage and the lidar is looking for potential hazards. I'd suspect it act similarly to a human in that situation.

Maybe it'd run it if there's no one else around, but a human probably would too in that case.

Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by mcny on Saturday October 06, 2018 @04:20AM (#18154150)
I would think a self driving car would have access to Waze in almost real time.
Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by skinnymuch on Sunday October 07, 2018 @06:52AM (#18159961)
Maybe a large number of drivers would know, but that’s pure guessing. Could be a larger number of drivers wouldn’t know.
Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by ceejayoz on Sunday October 07, 2018 @01:37PM (#18161705)
A while back, one of the four-way stops in our area got turned into a two-way stop. It took months for folks to stop treating it as a four-way, despite "new traffic pattern" signs.

Another imperfect analogy is power outages and stop lights. For the most part, it doesn't result in full-speed collisions; instead, folks treat it as a stop sign.

Self-driving cars are going to need a "huh, that doesn't look right..." system. Detecting missing/defaced/misleading signs should be a part of it.

Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by ConceptJunkie on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:09PM (#18233286)
> instead, folks treat it as a stop sign.

That's what you're supposed to do. In some cases, the traffic lights fail to a mode where one direction is blinking red, which is treated like a stop sign, and the other is blinking yellow, which is treated sort of like a yield sign (i.e., proceed, but with caution).

I believe the law (and common sense) states that if the traffic light it out, you treat it like a 4-way stop sign intersection.

Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by zepearl on Friday October 05, 2018 @03:13PM (#18150921)
Well, it's probably all about details.

If I see rocks I can e.g. drive around them, judge if they're really too big for my car, drive on the sidewalk, etc.. => all these options are really complicated to program.

Current cars don't stop, at least not in Europe - they might break/go slower but it's going to be mixed with steering to avoid whoever is there causing all that fuzz. And if I think that whoever is in front of me is a threat that I might just run over him/her (or "it" for "animal" - a different kind of complexity - e.g. do you stop for 1 frog? 10 frogs? 100 frogs?) , at least partially.

Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by tinus_hn on Friday October 05, 2018 @03:59PM (#18151216)
Besides chances are self-driving cars are going to have drm that makes it impossible to steal.
Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by HBlix on Friday October 05, 2018 @03:59PM (#18151221)
When has DRM ever worked as more than a temporary measure? Also if car DRM is like games and software DRM, it will punish the honest user while not even remotely harming the thief!
Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by tinus_hn on Friday October 05, 2018 @07:00PM (#18152423)
ESR rethoric aside iPhones Activation Lock works pretty well and phones are hardly as regulated as cars. If you jailbreak your cars onboard computer it’s no longer road legal.
Re:US to Allow Cars Without Steering Wheels by vorpalhex on Friday October 05, 2018 @06:30PM (#18152258)
"You wouldn't steal a car..."