Apple deprecates Java

Re:Apple deprecates Java by pmjordan on Thursday October 21, 2010 @06:28AM (#1814896)

Indeed, this will presumably affect users of Eclipse, Netbeans and similar. Not sure how many non-developer apps make use of those APIs, though, especially as they don't quite produce native look & feel. (still much better than X11, which is indeed terrible on OSX)

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Re:Apple deprecates Java by Samuel_Michon on Thursday October 21, 2010 @09:33AM (#1815275)

@nileshk: "I wonder if Apple is really going to stop maintaining their port of Java, or if this move is to be able to say "you can't use Java for App Store for Mac apps because we could possibly stop including it.""

From Apple's Mac App Store review guidelines: "Apps that use deprecated or optionally installed technologies (e.g., Java, [PowerPC code requiring] Rosetta) will be rejected."

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/20/apple_issues_r...

Java in XCode was already deprecated, but it sounds like there won't even be a (standard) install of the Java runtime in Mac OS X Lion.

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Re:Apple deprecates Java by nileshk on Thursday October 21, 2010 @09:18AM (#1815239)

I think Eclipse is in a better position to handle this because it uses SWT instead of Swing. SWT is not produced by Apple, and uses native widgets (for OS X, there is both a Cocoa and Carbon version). So in theory, Eclipse could run on something like Soylatte without having to use X11.

It's the Swing apps (such as Netbeans, etc) that are potentially in trouble. Apple has been maintaining their own code for Swing. If they are going to stop maintaining this, I hope they contribute their changes back to OpenJDK so that someone attempting to maintain a Mac version does not have to reimplement this.

I wonder if Apple is really going to stop maintaining their port of Java, or if this move is to be able to say "you can't use Java for App Store for Mac apps because we could possibly stop including it." Or maybe they are planning to hand over development to Oracle.

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Re:Apple deprecates Java by umjames on Thursday October 21, 2010 @10:02AM (#1815363)

Or maybe they're not interested in being on the other end of an Oracle lawsuit. I don't know.

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Re:Apple deprecates Java by wmf on Thursday October 21, 2010 @11:16AM (#1815775)

Apple paid for Java; they're not going to get sued.

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Re:Apple deprecates Java by wtracy on Thursday October 21, 2010 @01:21PM (#1816473)

I wonder if Oracle just increased the price?

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Re:Apple deprecates Java by wmf on Thursday October 21, 2010 @03:07PM (#1816988)

That thought occurred to me; maybe Apple decided not to renew their license.

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Re:Apple deprecates Java by rbritton on Thursday October 21, 2010 @11:02AM (#1815691)

The product ordering software for every photographer-centric company I've ever dealt with is written in Java. Given that a large portion of photographers use Macs, this could have a big impact there.

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Re:Apple deprecates Java by nevster on Thursday October 21, 2010 @08:50PM (#1818127)

I'll have a lot of users who'll be sad if they can't run my app http://www.auctionsieve.com/

I don't use any Mac specific APIs except for checking/setting some properties to do things like put the menus in the right place. The rest is straight Swing. So no great loss as long as Oracle provides a good implementation.

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