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Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by RickS on Friday October 05, 2018 @06:23AM (#18146998)
Maybe.

I would argue after watching the hearing that anyone who so blatantly ignores the obvious intent of questions asked of them, rather than attempting to pursue and convey the truth in earnest, regardless of their guilt, is unqualified to enforce justice at the highest level in America. I struggle to imagine a credible reason to look past this conduct, and would be interested in hearing a take on it.

To be clear, I don't have a take on whether he's guilty, and I don't think it particularly matters. I'm operating based solely on his bad-faith responses to interview questions. It could be argued that the questions asked of him were themselves in bad faith, but that doesn't seem like it should change anything, since it's critical for a judge to be resilient to bad faith questioning, rather than sinking to that level and rolling in the mud.

If a person has a different take that involves him being levelheaded, truthful, nonpartisan in the face of immense partisanship, and dedicated to the pursuit of justice, then no, it is not extremist to support him.

If a person can recognize him as being at all deficient in any of those categories and yet supports his nomination out of partisan dedication, despite intellectual qualities that should disqualify him, I would classify that as extreme.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by chrisco255 on Friday October 05, 2018 @06:31AM (#18147017)
We have to presume Kavanaugh's innocence because no witness has come forward to corroborate any claims. In the meantime, the Democrats skewered a man for every inside joke he made in his High school yearbook with his buddies. They were picking apart his actions as a child. They weren't asking questions related to the allegations. They were trying to assassinate his character. That's fucked up I don't care who you are.

Who would like to sit on trial for things you said 40 years ago? And have a mass media misinterpret everything out of context? It's fucking primitive.

Who wouldn't lose their composure? Only a cool, level headed liar like Bill Clinton could pull that off.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by RickS on Friday October 05, 2018 @06:41AM (#18147059)
My comment was specific and deliberate in presuming his innocence, which, to reiterate, I do.

I was also deliberate in my pointing-out that many of the questions asked of him could be perceived as being in bad faith. Whether that's so is quite subjective. Your "inside joke" is other people's "description of a sex act". For the same reason we can't truly know Kav's innocence or guilt, we can't know whether the jokes are harmful or not.

I want to point out a distinction that I made, that I'm not sure you're making: I don't discredit Kavanaugh because he "lost his cool". I too would most certainly be crying in that situation, without a doubt. But when Leahy pressed him, repeatedly over a span of excruciatingly long minutes, to explicitly request and comply with an investigation, and Kavanaugh dodged and bent over backwards to avoid doing such a thing, I found it difficult to understand how a person interested in the truth could behave in that way. A SCOTUS judge should be wiling to be investigated, and expected to survive such a thing.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by chrisco255 on Friday October 05, 2018 @07:47AM (#18147331)
Not if all standards of due process and normal jurisprudence were thrown out the fucking window.

These allegations were held in the pocket as a political football instead of being handed over to a bipartisan committee and investigated by the FBI from the get go.

Feinstein's unethical manipulation of this allegation in the handling of Dr. Ford and outright lies about her alleged fear of flying in order to prevent her being forensically interviewed, like a normal case, are inexcusable.

The Democrats had two months to hatch a plan while Kavanaugh's life got turned upside down in less than a week. That's a legal ambush, complete with an angry mob. It's not just at all.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by jcadam on Friday October 05, 2018 @08:32AM (#18147572)
> But when Leahy pressed him, repeatedly over a span of excruciatingly long minutes, to explicitly request and comply with an investigation, and Kavanaugh dodged and bent over backwards to avoid doing such a thing

Because it was an obvious trap and he was right to avoid stepping into it.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by g8oz on Friday October 05, 2018 @06:57AM (#18147125)
>>We have to presume Kavanaugh's innocence because no witness has come forward to corroborate any claims.

By the standards of criminal proceedings, yes. But this is a job interview, the standards for disqualifying someone are lower.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by jcadam on Friday October 05, 2018 @08:38AM (#18147612)
> But this is a job interview

This makes me angry every time I read it. A failed job interview usually means you can just go back to whatever it was you were doing before you applied, none the worse for wear.

A job interview shouldn't require you to defend yourself against scurrilous personal attacks which result in you becoming an unemployable social pariah if you fail.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by angry_octet on Friday October 05, 2018 @11:14AM (#18148762)
Ugh, he'll still be a Federal judge with a lifetime appointment.
Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by fareesh on Friday October 05, 2018 @02:45PM (#18150667)
That's not the sum total of his life. His neighbours won't look at him the same way. His coaching life has come to a complete end - no parents of young girls are going to be comfortable with him coaching them, and Harvard University has already terminated his lectures.

This was not a job interview.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by alehul on Friday October 05, 2018 @08:47AM (#18147675)
While that's true, and I personally am leaning towards believing Ford, there's also these premises we must accept:

(1) There will be millions of people against any Supreme Court nominee

(2) The bar for dismissal of a Supreme Court nominee is accusations, even without corroboration

Premise (1) is bound to be true, and premise (2) will be fulfilled if we decide Kavanaugh should not be nominated. The logical conclusion is thus likely:

(3) Any of the millions of people against a Supreme Court nominee can come forward with accusations without corroboration and block their nomination

While I think Kavanaugh's defensive and angry response is another valid issue, we could then just add a 3rd premise to the above where the uncorroborated claims would have to be met with anger by the nominee to be disqualified. It still seems like a screwed up system, with that third premise installed.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by jsjohnst on Friday October 05, 2018 @10:01AM (#18148166)
Or better yet, let’s consider him not getting the nomination because he lied under oath. Irregardless of where you stand on the Ford allegation (which is currently he said / she said, and nothing more, despite me believing what she said), it’s easily proveable that Kavanaugh lied under oath.
Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by angry_octet on Friday October 05, 2018 @11:31AM (#18148921)
I have a great counter-example for you: Gorsuch.

The problem isn't supported much the accusations (though Ford gave powerful testimony) as his response. He is condemned by his own words. He was evasive, dissembling, maudlin, vengeful, conspiracy minded, hair splitting, seemingly conveniently forgetful, enraged at being questioned, sly, prevaricating, devious. In a word, dishonest. Not the qualities one wants for a judge on the highest court in the land.

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Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by eigenstuff on Friday October 05, 2018 @09:24AM (#18147885)
Well, if you don't rape someone, generally that's not something you need to worry about.
Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by firic on Friday October 05, 2018 @09:36AM (#18147973)
Did Kavanaugh rape someone? I don't know. Are you 100% sure that he did? If not, lets assume that he didn't. Your statement is now wrong since he is worrying about that.
Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by krapp on Friday October 05, 2018 @11:22AM (#18148845)
>If not, lets assume that he didn't. Your statement is now wrong since he is worrying about that.

"generally that's not something you need to worry about" is not a statement claiming that it's never something anyone, ever needs to worry about. It is still true that in general if you don't rape someone, you don't need to worry about being accused of having raped someone, because false rape accusations are statistically unlikely.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by SiVal on Friday October 05, 2018 @06:39AM (#18147052)
blatantly ignores the obvious intent of questions asked of them

The "obvious intent of the questions" is to block his nomination by any means they can come up with, as was made clear months ago by the protest signs printed with a blank where the name would be inserted just as soon as the name of the nominee was announced.

Anyone who blatantly ignores the obvious intent of these questions has an agenda other than finding the actual facts.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by RickS on Friday October 05, 2018 @06:50AM (#18147098)
I'm going to make a distinction here, between "what they're asking" and "why they're asking".

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you're right about "why they're asking:", and he's being asked questions that are intentionally constructed to lead to dark places, trip him up, and paint him in a negative light.

Nevertheless, I think any layperson can detect "what they're asking". A person interviewed for SCOTUS, in my view, must still give a straight answer to a question asked in bad faith. Ill intent on the part of (D) committee members does not justify intentionally incomplete answers that intentionally fail to address "what they're asking". Even if the questions are meant to derail him, that doesn't justify omission or disearnestness.

Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by yostrovs on Friday October 05, 2018 @07:33AM (#18147268)
He gave straight answers during the hearings, before the rape accusations. The trial, of course, was and should have been different. He was accused and acted like a human.
Re:Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaug... by yostrovs on Friday October 05, 2018 @07:30AM (#18147260)
He was not being asked to be a level headed neutral judge. He was accused and made a party to a case. He acted like an innocent accused person on whom vile claims were placed. The accusers acted like witch hunters and did their best to crack open Kavanaugh psychologically. Those people shouldn't be in their positions rather than Kavanaugh shouldn't be where he's going.