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Re:Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone by sgift on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @05:56AM (#18128851)
Probably the moment the 'Great Satan' stops to control all flow of goods into and out of the Gaza. It's easy to say Israel has withdrawn when all they did was move a few kilometers further out.
Re:Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone by firic on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @06:24AM (#18128966)
What would you recommend Israel do when Hamas's charter literally says that they what to destroy Israel and the Jews? Hamas is Gaza's elected party and letting them import weapons is very bad for Israeli civilians.
Re:Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone by lucideer on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @06:41AM (#18129034)
Hamas is Israel's creation. Fatah were the dominant political force in Gaza over the decades and decades of oppression until Hamas were finally founded more recently as an attempt at firmer and less tolerant response to Israel.
Re:Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone by skrebbel on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @07:13AM (#18129160)
Sure, but you didn't answer the question. Even if Hamas and even Gaza are totally Israel's fault, the fact that Hamas wants to destroy Israel makes some of Israel's actions pretty damn rational. What else can they do? "Shit, we pushed these Palestinians way too hard for way too long. Fair enough, they can bomb the shit out of our country now".

All that said, I'm not invested in the matter, and I'm a geopolitics noob, but I wonder what would happen if Israel would, unprovoked and unilaterally, drop all restrictions, recognize Palestina as a country and supply as much financial aid as is needed to rebuild the place. Just overnight. Wouldn't Hamas's support crumble instantly? Wouldn't the atmosphere be exactly like when they took down the Berlin wall?

I mean, would Palestinian combatants truly use the newly opened borders to immediately drive into Tel Aviv and shoot everybody? Tbh I don't see it.

Re:Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone by lucideer on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @07:27AM (#18129217)
Exactly. For all of Hamas' talk, it's not only reactive, it also results in a disproportionately small level of anti-Israel violence in practice due mostly to lack of resources (comparatively).

If Israel withdrew all restrictions unilaterally, would there be offensive actions by Hamas: almost certainly. But they'd likely be on a scale many orders of magnitude smaller than Israel's actions to date, and I doubt they'd be sustained.

Re:Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone by amitport on Thursday October 04, 2018 @02:51PM (#18142500)
Seriously? So following your logic the US should just let al qaeda access to weapons and let them vent off in NY.

"would there be offensive actions by [al qaeda]: almost certainly. But they'd likely be on a scale many orders of magnitude smaller than [US's actions in Afghanistan] to date, and I doubt they'd be sustained"

I hope I'll never live in a country that will allow their citizens to die in order to appease some murderous religious group.

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Re:Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone by dang on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @10:41PM (#18136712)
We've banned this account. You can't post like this to HN, even in a shitty flamewar like this thread.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html