Re:Steelmanning the NIMBYs
by nerfhammer on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @11:44AM
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He's simulating how he thinks anti-housing people think. "this post is me exaggerating the NIMBY parts of my brain to a degree I’m not sure I honestly support." Though if the arguments aren't very good it's either because anti-housing arguments fundamentally can't be made any better or that he's not doing a good job doing NIMBYs' views service.
Not really:
> So here are some YIMBY claims and why I cannot be entirely on board with them.
Re:Steelmanning the NIMBYs
by saosebastiao on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @11:36AM
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Not to mention that we have two cities on this continent that have excellent cultural, geographic, and economic parallels to San Francisco, as well as Oakland, Seattle, Portland, Boston, Vancouver, and plenty of other coastal North American cities. Chicago and Montreal have both done excellent jobs of growing housing in response to economic growth, and their cities are remarkably affordable in comparison.
Re:Steelmanning the NIMBYs
by emodendroket on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:21PM
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> Oakland, Seattle, Portland, Boston, Vancouver, and plenty of other coastal North American cities.
With the possible exception of Oakland, of which I know little, none of these cities are affordable. Boston and Vancouver, in particular, are among the most expensive cities in North America.
Re:Steelmanning the NIMBYs
by saosebastiao on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @04:52PM
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I was saying that Chicago and Montreal could stand as an example for those cities.
It breaks the site guidelines to sling accusations of dishonesty and generally attack like this, so please don't.
It isn't necessary in order to provide a factual refutation, and weakens the credibility of the rest of your post.
Re:Steelmanning the NIMBYs
by emodendroket on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @10:08AM
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Tokyo is not particularly affordable.
In comparison to what? It seemed pretty affordable to me when I was there, and based on some data points as well [1].
[1] https://resources.realestate.co.jp/living/cost-living-single...
Oh, it is, far more affordable than most of the US cities. Not only that, but over the past 20 years, the housing prices have increased just slightly above inflation.
https://www.ft.com/content/023562e2-54a6-11e6-befd-2fc0c26b3...
https://www.weetas.com/article/rent-income-ratio-17-major-ci...
If you compare by price per sqm you are probably right, but places are just generally smaller so you are in the same boat as everyone else. People can typically afford to rent their own apartment.
Re:Steelmanning the NIMBYs
by emodendroket on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @10:33AM
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I think it also comes out unfavorably if you compare average income to average rent, but I admit it's been years since I have really looked into it.
This is the BS part of the article. The author shouldn't be comparing to other US cities, but to other large cities in the world that don't have a housing crisis. His argument is picking a sick person, and comparing to other sick people for differences, instead of comparing to other healthy people.
Almost all the cities he mentions have housing crisis, but he was either too ignorant or too dishonest to realize that.
Tokyo, no available land, builds an entire new San Francisco every 2.5 years for the past 20 years.
The article is incompetence at best, but most likely, given the "depth" of the analysis, intellectual dishonesty.