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Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by bicubic on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:02AM (#18112582)
>That could easily be the result of discrimination by professors, collaborators, reviewers, etc.

Your go-to analysis of this data is that there's a grand conspiracy of misogynistic discrimination? I'm finding it really hard to imagine anyone deciding not to cite a paper on the sole basis that they saw a female name in the authorship.

Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by gpm on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:02AM (#18112587)
Conspiracy implies co-operation and planning. The far stronger argument for this is pervasive unconscious bias.

Edit: You added your second sentence after I posted this (that's fine, I do the same sometimes)

And indeed, his slides agree with you. There appears to be no substantial bias towards citing recent work by women. So that doesn't really counter what I said except in the sub-case of older papers.

That sub-case could easily be explained by there being a bias towards citing older work of people considered to be the key people in a field (I would expect so), and a bias against considering women to be the key people in the field. That second bias could be explained by a bias against considering people with female names key people in the field, or it could be considered a bias against considering people with fewer papers (see data/previous arguments for this) key people in the field, or both.

This is a giant unsupported hypothesis. I don't pretend otherwise. It seems to be just as supported as the hypothesis that women are just worse at physics then men though.

Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by emsy on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:15AM (#18112687)
Setting aside that the mere existence of unconscious bias is still a matter of debate on an universal level, it's baffling that people still think this accusation is a valid argument on an individual level. You have to prove it exists. The accused does not need to prove he or she is free of bias.
Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by danaris on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:32AM (#18112817)
I work in a Psychology department that has some members who specialize in the study of various kinds of bias, and I can assure you that unconscious bias is very real, and measurable in ways that I honestly can't find any reasonable way to claim measure anything else.

Look up the Implicit Association Test for a good example of this. I've taken it, and while it wasn't exactly a shocker to me to discover that I have an unconscious bias against black people (I grew up in an area that had maybe 5 of them, and despite my very liberal upbringing, our society and culture still label black people as "other" and "dangerous"), it was eye-opening to be able to see the effect so clearly.

Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by emsy on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:54AM (#18113059)
IATs are a good example for the immaturity in this area. It's a test designed to create the desired results. Switch the good/bad/black/white categories with any other two categories and I will take the bet you will get the same results.
Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by bicubic on Monday October 01, 2018 @12:06PM (#18113964)
The Implicit Association Test is - shall we say, non-scientific. Because the results depend on the ordering of the associated categories[1]

Psychology has too long been a field where people draw a conclusion first and then create some experiment or hypothesis to support it. It is only now with the advent of analytics that we are shedding light on this quackery.

[1] http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=22...

Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by castlecrasher2 on Monday October 01, 2018 @12:54PM (#18114460)
I posit that your bias is more likely due to you not being black rather than not being around them while growing up, and your reaction to a person of color is an a priori programming which simply tells you "not my tribe." Feelings following that, however, are what you as an individual and, to a lesser extent, what society dictate.
Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by simonrobb on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:49AM (#18112994)
I had the same experience after moving to the US for the first time. I'd never had a personal interaction with somebody of color, and all my views had been shaped by what I'd seen on American TV (typically not flattering, in the 80s/90s).
Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by creaghpatr on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:05AM (#18112601)
pervasive unconscious bias towards...citing relevant facts in your peer-reviewed research papers?
Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by evgen on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:12AM (#18112669)
Lise Meitner, Jocelyn Bell, and Rosalind Franklin would like to have a word with you...
Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by Koshkin on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:37AM (#18112869)
To be fair, only one of them still could.
Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by ddxxgg on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:12AM (#18112665)
Here's a useful list, in case you're interested:

https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~srugheimer/Women_in_STEM_Resour...

Re:Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men – not by invitation' by hef19898 on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:08AM (#18112635)
In, unconciously, slecting these facts for your paper and ignoring others. And with facts being facts even peer-review only helps you so much. Also it was just a talk / presentation and no peer-reviewed paper. He's a physicist and not in social sciences after all.