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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by TazeTSchnitzel on Sunday September 30, 2018 @04:31AM (#18105191)
When Apple introduced Cocoa they also introduced Carbon however, an extension of the legacy MacOS APIs. Apple already slowly killed their Win32.
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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by simongray on Sunday September 30, 2018 @06:13AM (#18105502)
It's actually kind of impressive how much transitional stuff Apple has introduced and then removed with Mac OS X and how right many of their decisions turned out. I guess Cocoa itself was an extension of the legacy NextStep API too. They also had Classic for running old Mac apps directly in OSX and later Rosetta for running PowerPC binaries on Intel (I guess the same tech was used for the 32->64 bit transition). So many technologies have been smoothly deprecated and removed over the years by Apple.
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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by stiGGG on Sunday September 30, 2018 @08:01AM (#18105801)
I don’t think you really can compare Apple’s and Microsoft’s situation here. Think of the extreme bigger amount of software that was written for Windows including all that custom made business software for small companies. Apple was always in the situation that a lot of their 3rd party developers were also „fans“, who are more willing to keep up with their transitions, where however most the Microsoft tech developers were just doing their job and want to keep their stuff only running with the least amount of work necessary.
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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by danieldk on Sunday September 30, 2018 @01:11PM (#18107067)
Apple was always in the situation that a lot of their 3rd party developers were also „fans“, who are more willing to keep up with their transitions,

That's true, but Apple also got behemoths like Adobe and Microsoft to port over their applications to modern APIs (Cocoa and Cocoa Touch).

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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by pjmlp on Sunday September 30, 2018 @07:45AM (#18105747)
Because Apple does the "take it our way or leave" approach.

Which is also a reason why they hardly have a meaningful market share across the enterprise world.

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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by scarface74 on Monday October 01, 2018 @06:20AM (#18111342)
Sure they do. It’s on mobile. While MS isn’t going anywhere in the Enterprise, anyone who is focused on the desktop when it comes to MS development instead of web, cloud, or even cross platform mobile development is headed down a dead end.
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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by pjmlp on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @01:46PM (#18123937)
A little secret, laptops and 2-1 convertibles are desktops as well, while being mobile.
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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by scarface74 on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @03:14PM (#18124784)
If we want to be pedantic, a desktop could be considered mobile too since you can pick it up.

But in the real world when people talk about “mobile software” everyone knows that people are talking about iOS and Android. No one is chasing after the Windows software market, it’s been a diminishing platform for the past decade.

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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by pjmlp on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @07:26AM (#18129214)
In the real world people are working on laptops, while using iOS and Android mostly to consume content, play games, browse web and show plane tickets.

When they actually become a match to laptops and 2-1 convertibles, maybe.

And there Chromebooks are no where to be seen outside US school system, iPad Pros are mostly a gimmick in rich countries and Android 2-1 are basically phone apps with keyboard.

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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by scarface74 on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @11:22PM (#18136903)
I am not saying that people aren’t using desktops to do work. What I’m saying that relatively few companies are putting money into writing desktop software. The jobs are limited compared to writing web based software.

If I ever got back into desktop software, it would be highly specialized low level C/C++ code and not WPF/Sharepoint/UWP software.

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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by ken on Sunday September 30, 2018 @10:56AM (#18106414)
Yes and no. They've taken down the documentation, but there's still a number of (non-GUI, non-kernel) Carbon APIs that are still not deprecated (as of 10.11, at least), and still allowed in the Mac App Store.

I'm using AHGotoPage() because NSHelpManager has no equivalent and nobody has been able to explain to me how to make that class do a similar task reliably. (In hindsight, AppleHelp is such a disaster that I should have just avoided it entirely, as almost every other app does.) MAS reviewers have given me grief over many things my app does, but never any Carbon calls.

The last time I saw any Carbon APIs deprecated was 10.8, I think (6 years ago).

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Re:Microsoft suspends development of touch-friendly UWP Offi... by amaccuish on Sunday September 30, 2018 @02:43PM (#18107638)
They're about to removed (carbon apis) AFAIK with the move to 64bit only no?
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