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Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by lgeorget on Friday September 28, 2018 @05:36PM (#18097262)
On the other hand, Facebook is not a soapbox on a public place, it's a website owned and hosted by a private company which has precise criteria to decide which publications are more desirable than others.
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by brianmcc on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:12PM (#18097475)
But that is a problem that's my point. They sell themselves as allowing us to 'connect' - bless their kind selfless hearts - then filter, prioritize, and suppress what we choose to connect with.

At this stage 'private company yada yada yada' is wilfully missing the point of just how much Facebook is the social media entity for a good chunk of the world.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by lgeorget on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:47PM (#18097677)
But it's no secret that the content you see on Facebook is the content Facebook and advertisers want you to see, not content you'd be interesting it in the first place.

Maybe I'm stubborn or stupid but I fail to see the problem. What make you think Facebook should have the interest of their users at heart to begin with, except to attract more users? The users are not their customers, the advertisers are. And anyway, nobody is forcing anyone to use Facebook or any social media at all.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by koonsolo on Saturday September 29, 2018 @04:49AM (#18099358)
You are 100% correct in theory, and everybody here knows this.

But the problem is that in practice, most people live on Facebook, and don't really care about any of this. This means that companies such as Facebook have a huge influence on what people see.

So the question really is, do we, as a democratic society, allow a single company to have such a big power over the opinion of the masses.

I don't have a proper answer for this, but that question is definitely there, regardless of the fact that people are not forced to use it.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by brianmcc on Friday September 28, 2018 @07:24PM (#18097799)
You forget perhaps that we HN folk are not typical. What you describe is not widely accepted, not by a long way.

To most users FB is absolutely a pure(ish) content exchange medium. They treat posting like sending SMS or what have you, an 'open' exhange, and not entirely unreasonably IMHO given 11+ years of precedent.

With that in mind today's event becomes significant. It rams home that FB is in control. And frankly that's new to most people!

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by stcredzero on Friday September 28, 2018 @07:29PM (#18097815)
They treat posting like sending SMS or what have you, an 'open' exhange, and not entirely unreasonably IMHO given 11+ years of precedent.

Back when SMS was new, people treated it like it had time end delivery guarantees, even though it had neither, and messages could sometimes be delayed by 20 minutes or an hour. I even had a girlfriend accuse me of lying because of that.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by sobani on Monday October 01, 2018 @05:41AM (#18111170)
That's the problem with anything that's true 99% of the time. People start to believe it's true 100% of the time.

That's why your ex didn't expect this 'SLA', because most of the time messages arrive practically immediately. And that's why most people don't expect Facebook to block non-spam, non-offensive content, because most of the time they don't.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by DougN7 on Saturday September 29, 2018 @09:59AM (#18100354)
So you’re saying it would be fine if they only showed content for one political ideology and one religious view, and suppressed everything else??
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by lgeorget on Saturday September 29, 2018 @11:33AM (#18100928)
That's what a lot of websites do, and it's called "editorial choices".
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by CaptainZapp on Saturday September 29, 2018 @12:17PM (#18101146)
I disagree with you, nevertheless I upvoted you.

It's so galling that legit opinions, which are well presented are trashed, just because they go against the direction of the polit bureau.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by lgeorget on Saturday September 29, 2018 @12:28PM (#18101216)
Thank you. Well I'm playing the devil's advocate there. To me Facebook has always looked very untrustworthy. They have a very bad habit of mishandling users' data and manipulating public opinion. Nevertheless I believe in editorial fredom of private websites.
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by stale2002 on Friday September 28, 2018 @05:53PM (#18097369)
If Facebook is a publishing company, then they should be treated as such.

They should lose their immunity to lawsuits for user created content on their publishing platform.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by brianmcc on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:07PM (#18097441)
I've increasingly felt that fb, twitter etc with their filters and algorithms are more publisher than platform.

They indisputably go to great lengths to control what you see ergo they are not simply facilitators.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by lgeorget on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:05PM (#18097432)
They should be liable for what is published on their platform but they certainly cannot be guilty of _not publishing_ something.
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by stale2002 on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:23PM (#18097549)
By refusing to publish something, they are no longer acting as a neutral platform.

Losing the immunity that they get by being a neutral platform, means that current content on FB, that they were previously not liable for, they would now become liable for.

For example, if a user posts something illegal on FB, then Facebook could be sued, even if they remove the content as soon as they became aware of it. (In the same way that the NYT is responsible for the content on it's writers).

Think about how phone companies have immunity from someone making illegal phone calls, and then phone companies becoming liable for damages that they previously were not liable for previously.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by lgeorget on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:33PM (#18097618)
I'm not a lawyer, what are the legal basis for that "immunity" and the fact they lost it somehow?
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by beagle3 on Friday September 28, 2018 @07:52PM (#18097913)
For telecomms, this is known as “common carrier” status; it means you are not liable for what goes through you, but to keep that status you must not filter anything either.

If you do filter, you’re supposed to lose that status - and then you become liable for what goes through your pipes.

I’m not sure there’s a similar legal concept for publishers.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by noobiemcfoob on Friday September 28, 2018 @05:43PM (#18097302)
Where is this precise criteria? Can anyone explain it for a layperson? While we all know it is the aggregation of many different algorithms at work, the results of those algorithms have consequences. Claiming that it's fine because the algorithm exists is begging the question.
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by lgeorget on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:08PM (#18097455)
If they have decided (consciously or not, because sometimes algorithms have unpredicted consequences) to not have something published then they are free not to publish it. It's not like it's a public service run by the government.
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by denzil_correa on Saturday September 29, 2018 @02:07PM (#18101834)
> which has precise criteria to decide which publications are more desirable than others.

The issue is that we don't know these criteria.