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Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by CaliforniaKarl on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:29PM (#18096778)
Hilarious, but I bet it's Hanlon's razor at work again:

> Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by afandian on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:42PM (#18096888)
How many times do they need to be caught out before the razor gets blunt?
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by ucaetano on Friday September 28, 2018 @05:35PM (#18097246)
Oh, there are no bounds for human stupidity!
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by afandian on Friday September 28, 2018 @05:46PM (#18097320)
As we're talking in hypotheticals why not pivot the question.

How 'stupid' can a company, with an arguable international monopoly on a major form of communication and dissemination, be before we acknowledge the serious danger it is putting society in?

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by ucaetano on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:03PM (#18097424)
> arguable international monopoly on a major form of communication and dissemination

Monopoly in what, precisely?

Facebook has a monopoly in online, blue-themed social networks owned by Harvard dropouts.

It doesn't have a monopoly on social networks, on communication, on online networks, eve on blue-themed online social networks.

Coca-Cola has a monopoly on cola-flavored soft drinks in many countries, but that isn't relevant, since cola-flavored soft drinks compete with a thousand other types of drinks.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by afandian on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:15PM (#18097496)
I did hedge the word 'monopoly', as we are into unprecedented territory (SE suggests 'near-monopoly') [0]. I don't know if there are appropriate analogies, but soft drinks don't represent the gravity of the situation IMHO.

For a massive number of people, FB is the only platform that they and the majority of their friends to share and comment. It is treated as de facto neutral infrastructure. I don't know how it represents itself these days.

[0] https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/361600/need-a-wo...

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by ucaetano on Friday September 28, 2018 @07:47PM (#18097890)
> or a massive number of people, FB is the only [online] platform that they and the majority of their friends to share and comment.

For a lot of people, Amazon is the only online marketplace they buy from.

And for a lot of people, Coca-Cola is the only soda they drink.

None of those grant those companies a monopoly on shopping, or on drinks.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by afandian on Saturday September 29, 2018 @02:53PM (#18102095)
- Facebook is not in a traditional 'monopoly'.

- The term 'monopoly' is conventially used in connection with the sale of traditional goods, like soft drinks and train services.

- It represents a boolean state, and was created to describe situations that arise in established economic models.

- The new trade in information, such as propagated by Facebook, does not follow many of the established rules of the trade of goods and services.

- The network effects of buying soda are weak. Maybe if my friends "prefer the taste of X" I will buy that too. But their choosing a given brand of soda does not preclude me from using a different brand of soda.

- The stakes are lower too. Notwithsanding the actual literal crimes committed by Coca-Cola, if people consume more of one brand than other, or Coca-Cola try a different formula, the worst harm that is done is some shareholders lose some money.

- If Facebook controls the flow of information, directly or indirectly, intentionally or unintentionally, big social outcomes change. For example the election of the current president of the United States, and countless other decisions round the world.

- Many things are changing. Business models, societal models, communication models, user behaviour. Even the use of the word 'user' sheds light on the situation -- what we might have called "cizizens engaged in converstaion" is now "users on a platform" and, in some dominant sectors is the dominant platform for discussion.

- We need new vocabulary to talk about the effects that technology has brought about. No extant word is a perfect fit. That is not a good reason to not try to talk about them.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by ucaetano on Saturday September 29, 2018 @07:53PM (#18103709)
> Facebook is not in a traditional 'monopoly'.

Just because you invented a new definition of the word monopoly, doesn't mean it is relevant. It isn't.

> The term 'monopoly' is conventially used in connection with the sale of traditional goods, like soft drinks and train services.

No. At least not when talking about economics. By people who don't understand economics, maybe.

> It represents a boolean state, and was created to describe situations that arise in established economic models.

Also no (to the boolean part).

> The new trade in information, such as propagated by Facebook, does not follow many of the established rules of the trade of goods and services.

You have to prove that it changed the definition of monopoly. You didn't. It didn't.

> The network effects of buying soda are weak. Maybe if my friends "prefer the taste of X" I will buy that too. But their choosing a given brand of soda does not preclude me from using a different brand of soda.

Network effects don't create a monopoly, just barriers to entry in a specific market. But that market might have competing markets, or replacements.

> If Facebook controls the flow of information, directly or indirectly, intentionally or unintentionally, big social outcomes change. For example the election of the current president of the United States, and countless other decisions round the world.

Doesn't imply a monopoly.

> We need new vocabulary to talk about the effects that technology has brought about. No extant word is a perfect fit. That is not a good reason to not try to talk about them.

"I'm wrong about the way I use the term monopoly, so we should change the term so I'm right".

Nice try. You were able to get almost ever single point wrong.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by ucaetano on Saturday September 29, 2018 @01:22PM (#18101562)
PS: Quoting stack exchange for a definition of monopoly can only be a joke. You need to read better sources...
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by stcredzero on Friday September 28, 2018 @07:35PM (#18097846)
Oh, there are no bounds for human stupidity!

Can we automate and get an order of magnitude advantage out of the artificial kind?

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by worldsayshi on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:35PM (#18096825)
Yeah, if they actually wanted to censor something they would do it silently, by not showing it in people's news feeds. Proving such practice exists would probably be near impossible without having access to the source code or core usage statistics.
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by dvtrn on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:39PM (#18096857)
Looking at some of the tweets it seems FB has a mechanism that autoflags article links as spam if "too many people are trying to share" it.

This just makes me wonder exactly how automated that feature is, because surely a non-nominal number of people share current event links all the time about something political, sporting event, natural disaster. I wonder if it happens then, or is this a matter of recency....Streisand (there's got to be a better word for it than that) following the news of those 50million accounts being breached.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by Splines on Friday September 28, 2018 @05:42PM (#18097297)
What I don't understand is why this is considered spam. Are lots of people not allowed to talk about the same thing?
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by lozenge on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:07PM (#18097440)
I can think of a couple of possible explanations:

1. Viral content like "share this or Facebook will delete your account" - may as well shut that down straight away.

2. A security flaw in a Facebook site that lets malicious websites post to your wall automatically from a webpage. In that case, the malicious website will probably post a link to itself, so that it can collect more victims. In this case, this limits the impact of the flaw. Look at the Samy worm as an example.

3. News feed algorithm "breaks" in some way when a lot of people are posting the same thing, so they just prevent that from happening.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by aphextron on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:40PM (#18096861)
>Yeah, if they actually wanted to censor something they would do it silently, by not showing it in people's news feeds.

Not really. Reddit does exactly this. Posts to /r/news are only allowed from a whitelist of "real news" sources.

Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by worldsayshi on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:48PM (#18096937)
Huh? Well I meant if they want to censor something silently they could get away with that.
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by mortenjorck on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:52PM (#18096979)
Exactly. Even if an experiment could show something reliably not appearing in other timelines, it could easily enough be waved away with the standard throw-your-hands-up-and-say-‘algorithms’ explanation.
Re:Facebook blocks sharing of critical Guardian article by stcredzero on Friday September 28, 2018 @07:34PM (#18097840)
Hilarious, but I bet it's Hanlon's razor at work again

My corollary: If you want to instigate against adherents of Hanlon's Razor, it's best to use weaponized stupidity.