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Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by paulie_a on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @11:09AM (#18076706)
It's just another license to ignore. I'll personally do whatever I want regardless of what is in the EULA.
Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by rst on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:17PM (#18078152)
Oracle is notorious for auditing compliance with their database licenses, and shaking down their users for extra money in the event the auditors find something even slightly questionable. There are external consultants that make a pretty good living just preparing companies to withstand those audits.

They haven't been doing that with JDK licenses, so far -- as long as Java had licenses which didn't allow for this kind of gamesmanship. But now that the license has changed, it's a completely legitimate thing to get worried about.

Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by StreamBright on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @11:31AM (#18076956)
Not sure where you live or what sort of company you work for but in my country & our company we cannot just have a fuck all attitude towards software licenses.
Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by paulie_a on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:00PM (#18077276)
The USA and I've been doing it for two decades, honestly copyrights and licenses are not important to me. I have taken a fuck all attitude without consequence and will continue to do so forever.
Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by misabon on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:13PM (#18077432)
Haha the plethora of GPL violations that exist without consequence sort of illustrate your point quite well.
Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by StreamBright on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:37PM (#18077703)
You think if Oracle's legal team is after your company you get a free get out of license violation card?
Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by misabon on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:41PM (#18077743)
Haha, I’m not playing that game because I’m lawsuit averse but I’m not surprised people are successful at it. This JDK includes telemetry so it just got a lot more dangerous to play but otherwise I’d guess license violations are pervasive at small shops.
Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by malka on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:41AM (#18091856)
even at big ones.
Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by icedchai on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:06PM (#18078016)
Though it "sounds bad", this is a wonderfully practical approach. Why waste a lot of time with this BS?
Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by colejohnson66 on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:55PM (#18081639)
Because it’s a good way to get yourself sued
Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by icedchai on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:47AM (#18083904)
Unless you're a very large firm, it's actually not. They'll negotiate with you long before lawyers are involved.
Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by ballenf on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @11:40AM (#18077055)
The moral argument that code should not be restrained by artificial license, like we treat ideas, is a strong one but not made clearly here.

If code was treated more like ideas or recipes we'd all still have jobs.

If you believe that strongly enough, civil disobedience through ignoring licenses is one approach. No one should risk more than they're willing to lose on the position because you will lose if it's costing someone else enough.

Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by paulie_a on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:06PM (#18077337)
It's not an act of civil disobedience. I just flat out give a shit. Also apparently I don't need to.
Re:Oracle’s Java 11 trap by hodgesrm on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:08PM (#18078034)
That won't work if your company goes through due diligence or ends up getting a licenses review from Oracle. You'll have to settle up then and it won't be cheap.

The Oracle license police live for situations like this.

p.s., If it's just personal use you are within the terms of the license.