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Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by kryogen1c on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @09:56PM (#18072089)
This is not attempting to fit user needs, this is an attempt to put out a PR fire and salvage quarterly earnings.

I'm still leaving, maybe even more-so because of the false heartfelt "ok let's do it your way". I will not be patronized, we're not on the same team anymore.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by rectang on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:05PM (#18072124)
Adam Smith:

"It is not from the benevolence (kindness) of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest."

Regardless of motivation (which is ultimately unknowable), is the tangible response from Google adequate?

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by kryogen1c on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:19PM (#18072177)
Google didn't used to be in the business of collecting every byte of metadata as sneakily as possible to earn every possible cent of ad revenue; times have changed.

Furthermore, this is not one mistake. This is the loudest and most obvious mistake in a trail of increasingly adversarial moves.

Maybe Google's bottom line will go up, but it won't be with me, or with anyone I know if I can help it.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by tptacek on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:29PM (#18072241)
"Salvaging quarterly earnings"? What kind of an impact on Alphabet earnings do you suppose any Chrome controversy has?
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by paradite on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:04PM (#18072119)
I don't understand, the piece looks like it promises to address all the problems highlighted in the past few days in Chrome 70. Why are you saying it is a PR piece?
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by satori99 on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:13PM (#18072158)
The problems were easily foreseeable, and they did it anyway.

Anyone who accepts this as "listening the users", and addressing the issues will likely get burned again in the future.

Google is a advertising company. Their customers are not their users, and therefore I think things are unlikely to change.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by mc32 on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:19PM (#18072183)
Also, it represents a culture shift. Many engs and mgrs have moved on, retired, jumped to new shinies (when FB, Uber, Twitter, etc became the new shiny) allowing a culture shift via replacement with people who have a different compass guiding them.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by kryogen1c on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:25PM (#18072218)
> Their customers are not their users

Cannot be overstated. The incentive structure is clear and the subsequent evolution is happening.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by paulcole on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:37PM (#18072282)
> Their customers are not their users, and therefore I think things are unlikely to change.

Interesting concept. Care to expound? Would be interested in hearing more.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by clear_dg on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:13AM (#18075544)
Nothing surprising: Google's revenues come from advertisers. Advertising is its main focus. Not developing browsers, or even providing search results. Those are merely means to an end. And of course, all the users are targets for ads, NOT customers. A farmer's cows aren't his customers; same logic here.

It's obvious really, and Google never denied it.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by ehsankia on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:29PM (#18072240)
Because there's literally nothing they could've said that would make them change their mind. This is the most reasonable response Google could've given. They've addressed every issue as promptly as possible, yet people just dismiss is as PR. It's a lose-lose battle, no matter what they do, people like this will always spin it in a negative way with zero justification.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by M2Ys4U on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:37PM (#18072279)
Well they could have make the changes they're saying they're going to make in the first place. Or not have sent their developer relations goons out to say "move along, nothing to see here, folks" when people started complaining.

This is PR. It's damage limitation.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by zbrozek on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:36PM (#18072273)
They could have removed the feature entirely, or set it to a privacy-friendly and least-surprise friendly default.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by ehsankia on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:31PM (#18072535)
Sync is off by default, how is that not privacy friendly?

They will be deleting all cookies by default, how is that now privacy friendly?

The core feature itself, setting it off by default defeats the whole point of the feature, because it's for the 99.99% of users that are not power-users. It's also not a privacy issue because, again, sync is off by default.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by petilon on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:08PM (#18072138)
Because the feature is ON by default. Naive users will not know to turn it off. That doesn't mean they don't care about privacy.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by plorg on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:20PM (#18072192)
One thought might be that a company interested in making decisions based on customer feedback would consult those customers before making a change like this.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by forgotmysn on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:39PM (#18072290)
they are solving issues and bugs that they probably already planned to address. they aren't doing anything because we asked them to, they are just pandering to their audience by saying that. IMO.