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Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by noja on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:45PM (#18060224)
> because nobody cares

A lot of people do not understand, but we do, we're the techies. It's our job to understand.

Don't mistake people not understanding for not caring.

Once people understand, they care.

Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by zelon88 on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:07PM (#18060959)
It's the early adopters who breed the late adopters. If we all stop using Chrome, and thus stop recommending it to our friends/co-workers they will stop using it too. I've personally turned dozens of people away from IE towards Chrome. Now I'll turn dozens of people away from Chrome towards Firefox. Also, I'm also IT and I'm now phasing out Chrome on my company workstations and phasing in Firefox. It will take time as it's low on my list of priorities, but every workstation I touch I'll take the time to scrub free from Chrome and setup FF. There's 30x users right there.
Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by throwawaymath on Monday September 24, 2018 @03:27PM (#18060636)
> Don't mistake people not understanding for not caring.

Once people understand, they care.

Conversely, don't mistake people not caring for not understanding. Many people both understand and don't care. Reasonable people can disagree about how their personal data should be monetized.

Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by jonbronson on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:51PM (#18060284)
This can't be overstated. The update did not even mention this feature change, making it even more difficult for non-techies to know something has changed, and what it means.
Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by amdelamar on Monday September 24, 2018 @03:16PM (#18060524)
Yeah, but my parents _understand_ Facebook collects/sells their data. But they don't _care_ enough to stop using Facebook.
Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by reificator on Monday September 24, 2018 @03:38PM (#18060736)
They may understand it on a superficial level, but do they understand it on a practical one?

Everyone "understands" that Facebook collects user data. It's the contextual understanding that makes techies uneasy.

Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by throwawaymath on Monday September 24, 2018 @03:51PM (#18060837)
What you're saying is a pretty condescending way to treat other people's opinions. You're essentially questioning whether or not they really understand (complete with scare quotes) if they don't share your opinion.

It's not the "contextual understanding" - or any kind of understanding - that makes some techies uneasy. It's their own opinions and personal comfortability with regard to data monetization. Many people understand their data is monetized in myriad ways and fully don't care. Asking if they actually understand is only going to patronize them.

Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by reificator on Monday September 24, 2018 @05:46PM (#18061738)
I get where you're coming from, but it applies to me equally in plenty of other domains.

There are countless things I understand the basics of but am not an expert in. That's why we specialize, because we can't be experts in everything all the time.

I don't mean it to be condescending, I mean to express that I can know that stars are powered by nuclear reactions and yet not have a firm grasp of what that really entails.

Most people, including myself, have a shallow understanding of a lot of things, and a deep understanding of very few things relatively speaking.

Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by Aeolun on Monday September 24, 2018 @07:26PM (#18062358)
And yet, given a parallel into what is happening as if it were a different company ‘e.g. would you be fine with our man standing outside your house and observing your every movement as a condition of service’, most of these people that ‘understand’ switch to WTF?! No! If you then ask them to stop using Chrome or Facebook it’s suddenly ‘different’.

The only thing that’s different is that they can remain blissfully unaware of it.

Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by ddingus on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:07PM (#18060964)
Actually, they are questioning whether understanding makes sense, given people are unaware, uninformed.

The answer on all that is advocacy.

They may still not care, and that is fine. At least it is with eyes wide open.

Professionals do that sort of thing. It is consideration, not condescension.

Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by rifung on Monday September 24, 2018 @06:20PM (#18061978)
I mean I'm a "techie" and I think I understand. I still don't care..
Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by reificator on Monday September 24, 2018 @06:27PM (#18062023)
Didn't say you had to...
Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by rifung on Monday September 24, 2018 @07:09PM (#18062277)
Earlier comment said "Once people understand, they care."

Your comment basically implied "maybe they don't really understand which is why they don't care".

So I am refuting the original statement because I presumably do understand, and I still don't care.

Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by propogandist on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @07:31AM (#18065358)
It seems he's employed by Google
Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by rifung on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @12:50PM (#18068038)
What does that have to do with my opinion about not being concerned about my Facebook use..?
Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by ionised on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:39AM (#18076389)
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by rifung on Thursday September 27, 2018 @02:34PM (#18087384)
I started using FB well before I joined Google =]
Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by JoshMnem on Monday September 24, 2018 @03:28PM (#18060646)
Most people incorrectly think along the lines of "they have all my data already, so there's nothing I can do." Most probably also believe that many of the things that are going on are illegal and that someone is watching out for their interests. If they really understood the consequences of the data collection on a deeper level, most people wouldn't agree to it.
Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by inetknght on Monday September 24, 2018 @08:37PM (#18062675)
I can confirm: there are a lot of things that friends, coworkers, and family all think are illegal and yet when I tell them to call law enforcement, they then ask "but who do I call?" followed by "I can't afford to hire a lawyer"

They know what's happening is wrong. They don't know how to stop it. But they do still need to browse the web.

Re:Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of ... by nicky0 on Monday September 24, 2018 @03:26PM (#18060626)
I understand, and I don't care.