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Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by dis-sys on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @12:48AM (#18021736)
> With all of the talk of how China is or is not playing fair, I feel like their internet bans get taken for granted, and I wish there was more pressure to play fairly there.

In a fair environment, you'd be seeing Facebook/Google/Twitter used by hundreds of millions Chinese when most Americans paying their bills using Alipay and talk to their friends using WeChat. US dominance in tech is _NOT_ something called fair.

Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by lacker on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:16PM (#18025806)
WeChat works just fine in the US. Facebook Messenger, a very similar product, is completely banned in China. In a fair environment, people could try out both of these apps and pick the one they liked better.
Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by abandonliberty on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:13AM (#18021834)
what's blocking WeChat?
Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by dis-sys on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:54AM (#18022028)
WeChat is not blocked, just like a long list of US internet services not blocked in China - Amazon, NH, booking.com, ebay, uber, airbnb, expedia and many more.

That being said, Huawei and Alipay's expansion into the US has been repeatedly blocked by the US federal government [1]. By citing the same national security concerns, using such logic, Cisco and Microsoft should have long been banned in China - but they are not, both are making good $ in China.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-moneygram-intl-m-a-ant-fi...

Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by teknologist on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @02:23AM (#18022155)
Those companies had to obtain ICP licenses and participate in forced partnerships and open up their servers to the government.

Your claim of fairness here is simply quite laughable

Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by age_of_stone on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @05:01AM (#18022863)
Huawei would like to participate in "forced" partnership and open their servers to the US government in exchange US market access. But still, it's banned by national security. laughable?
Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by teknologist on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @07:49AM (#18023483)
Well I guess they shouldn't have put a backdoor in their products then. You're conflating two unrelated things.
Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by TACIXAT on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @12:41PM (#18025505)
>Well I guess they shouldn't have put a backdoor in their products then.

Citation needed. I've yet to see any evidence against Huawei and ZTE. Just FUD from the USG.

Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by chupasaurus on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @08:17AM (#18023611)
Cisco is full of backdoors either.
Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by abandonliberty on Saturday September 22, 2018 @09:15PM (#18048890)
It seems like you undermined your own point here.
Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by teknologist on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @02:21AM (#18022143)
This is an amusing point of view. WeChat is really the worst messenger out there from a technical standpoint. No attempt encryption at all (who knows if they even use SSL?) and the stickers and social networking features still resemble 1st gen. messenger apps
Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by age_of_stone on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @05:11AM (#18022900)
1st gen? are you kidding? millions of its international users love it no mention 1 billion domestic users. it's just mostly designed for Chinese users.
Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by iforgotpassword on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @02:53AM (#18022289)
uh, what? it has many more features than any western messenger. what makes it appeal less to western audiences is that it is precisely tailored to chinese taste/lifestyle, which is distinctively different.
Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by teknologist on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @07:52AM (#18023495)
Which derails the parent's vision that it would be a popular messenger in the US. Uh, what?
Re:China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwi... by chillacy on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:06PM (#18025717)
Your post said it’s the worst from a technical standpoint, but I’d argue it failed from a feature standpoint: half assed localization, features tailored for the Chinese market (for instance push to talk is huge there), and regarding the stickers thing, non-western friendly UI (east Asia is used to higher density designs, see any webpage in Chinese or Japanese)..

Even things like lack of encryption are missing features that we care about but Chinese users don’t, not a technical evaluation.

One feature that WeChat nailed is performance in low bandwidth connections common in China in 2010, but it’s not like that’s something we in the west care about on 3G+ connections.