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Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by gaius on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @01:38PM (#18017413)
love their job and employer

It has all the trappings of a cult. It is well known that cults use a low-protein diet for indoctrination. http://www.leaderu.com/common/cults.html

Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by wpietri on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @03:15PM (#18018255)
In a private Slack with a thousand or so industry people, I've seen "WeWork is a cult" mentioned more than once.

That isn't particularly surprising to me. Not because of anything specific to WeWork, but just because of general tech industry dynamics. Job advertisements want people who are "passionate", who "believe", who want to "change the word". We have had decades of "holy wars" and quasi-religious behavior, starting with editor choice [1] and OS [2], going up to the present moment [3][4].

It's pretty common for exposes of tech companies to talk about cult-like behavior. E.g., Dan Lyons on Hubspot [5] or John Carreyou on Theranos [6]. I don't think all startups are this way, or even most of them. But the seeds of cult-ish behavior are clearly commonplace. E.g., charismatic leaders, a group dedicated to a non-mainstream vision, people spending a lot of intense time together, hazy boundaries, top-down power structures, and a lot of young, impressionable people.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war

[2] https://tidbits.com/1995/06/26/computings-holy-war/

[3] https://www.recode.net/2018/5/30/17386068/brad-garlinghouse-...

[4] https://www.recode.net/2017/12/6/16680816/elon-musk-spacex-t...

[5] https://www.amazon.com/Disrupted-My-Misadventure-Start-Up-Bu...

[6] https://reason.com/blog/2018/06/07/theranos-elizabeth-holmes...

Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by umeshunni on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @03:20PM (#18018293)
We're talking about WeWork here, not a tech company.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by kanelbullar on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @03:26PM (#18018341)
WeWork is, in no small part, a tech company.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by hobofan on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @03:39PM (#18018458)
In what non-small part?

They have a barely functioning mobile app and portal, but that's about it. Even the IT (which I wouldn't even count towards them being a tech company) seemed ridiculously broken at the locations I've been staying in the past.

Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by kanelbullar on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @03:48PM (#18018529)
In what non-small part?

Their business is built on the deployment of custom (if not particularly sexy) office technology and quite simply could not exist without it. There's also another certain very significant tech company they outright acquired to enhance their overall operations and portfolio.

So - they're not a traditional tech-only company; but a tech company quite definitely.

Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by gaius on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @03:28AM (#18022434)
the deployment of custom (if not particularly sexy) office technology and quite simply could not exist without it.

In that sense every company is a tech company. Like if McDonalds “deploys” custom deep fryers are they a tech company too?

Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by ehvatum on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @05:46PM (#18027955)
Yes, but not one that would have a keynote address by Deepak Chopra wherein chicken McNuggets of wisdom are delivered...
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by poulsbohemian on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @05:39PM (#18019385)
My own experience was that the printers never worked, the billing had errors, their mail and visitor notifications never worked... so while I agree they fashion themselves as a tech company, they were really bad at it.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by kanelbullar on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @06:13PM (#18019675)
Oh sure, their stuff only kinda works -- like the products of a great many tech companies. But at the end of the day -- well enough to have people lining outside the door. And they can't seem to stake out new buildings fast enough to keep up with the demand.

A successful tech company, through and through.

Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by poulsbohemian on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @07:19PM (#18020173)
It's an interesting gedankenexperiment... we were with them for 18-24 months (I don't remember now...)... it was just an ok experience, and at a premium price. I don't imagine I would use them again. So do they continue to thrive, or does the veneer eventually fade and they are stuck holding some very expensive leases?
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by village-idiot on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @11:22PM (#18021438)
It seems that WeWork is interested in the cultural trappings of big tech, even though it isn’t tech at all.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by notyourday on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:01PM (#18025677)
WeWork is a real estate holding company masquarading as a tech company because anything that is described won't fly in any real estate holding company.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by DoreenMichele on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @02:28PM (#18017850)
It can be challenging to get enough iron and B vitamins with a vegetarian diet. It's not that hard to get enough protein. Most Americans are consuming more protein than their bodies can use.

I have a genetic disorder. I need about 1.5 to 2x as much nutrients as normal people to not be malnourished. I eat smaller portions of meat than your standard American diet and some of my meals are meatless. My meat-and-potatoes relatives have accused me of being vegetarian because of it. I've improved my overall nutritional status while eating semi-vegetarian by American standards.

Some B vitamins are a serious problem for some vegetarians. But you would really have to be doing something wrong to not be getting adequate protein eating vegetarian.

Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by tomcam on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @06:21PM (#18019755)
Can someone explain the downvotes on this? There are no factual errors and the poster does not seem to be on the attack.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by warent on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @09:43PM (#18020986)
Meta: I've noticed downvotes are starting to be handed out very liberally lately. Maybe it's time to bump the minimum "karma" score up again required to downvote, or perhaps adjusting the algorithm on how downvotes are scored.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by warent on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @02:22PM (#18017795)
Vegetarian/vegan does not mean undernourished.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by King-Aaron on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @03:32AM (#18022451)
Not necessarily, but it can quite often be the case if the person in question isn't actively aware of the nutrients they are consuming.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by warent on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @10:11AM (#18024265)
True, as is the case for any diet.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by gaius on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @04:43AM (#18022798)
Well, sure, you can be vegetarian on a diet of pizza and icecream and get plenty of calories but you’ll still be deficient in some nutrients.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by warent on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @10:09AM (#18024253)
You can be on a diet of pepperoni pizza and ice cream and get plenty of calories but you’ll still be deficient in some nutrients. I don't see your point.

You can be on a diet of beef and pork, get plenty of protein, and still be undernourished.

Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by JCharante on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:15AM (#18021846)
> It is well known that cults use a low-protein diet for indoctrination.

Okay, but this reads as non-sequiter because a lack of meat in a diet does not mean that the diet is one with low-protein consumption. Certainly if one is determined to be protein deficient then cutting out some food that is high in protein would be beneficial for their goal, but that's like saying if you don't use git you are managing a project wrong and aren't using version control. If you didn't want to use version control, then that would mean you wouldn't use git, but not using git doesn't mean you don't use VC.

Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by jschwartzi on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @02:24PM (#18017812)
That's one detail that might be cult-like, but on the whole as long as their employment contract doesn't prescribe who employees are allowed to talk to I fail to see how it is cult-like on the whole.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by gaius on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @03:41PM (#18018482)
That is kinda what an overarching noncompete is isn’t it? Cults always try to forbid former members spilling the beans.
Re:WeWork Backs Down on Employee Noncompete Requirements by jschwartzi on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @05:17PM (#18019220)
In this case it's very specific to trade secrets. It's not really cult-like to ask people not to talk specifics about your manufacturing processes, suppliers, or customers. That's also not usually within the purview of a non-compete. Non-competes generally dictate whether you can start selling competing products with a competitor or develop the same kind of software for sale with a competitor. They generally don't prohibit finding jobs in unrelated industries.

The morally reprehensible thing about a non-compete for a barista or janitor is that the knowledge of how to make coffee or clean is widely available and unless WeWork has some kind of proprietary technique for cleaning offices the non-compete is really a form of indentured servitude. And assuming there's no particular consideration given to what would happen to the janitor or barista should they lose their job and not be able to find similar work it's the kind of contract that should be illegal. It also makes me glad that I asked my employer to hold off on leasing an office for me from WeWork as I don't like doing business with companies that are that predatory.

But there's nothing particularly cult-like about it.