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Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @01:35PM (#18017370)
What really amazes me is the creation of new "Shopping Centres" - miles and miles of independent stores and nothing between them but parking lots. They took the mall and scaled it up so everyone gets a store, and now if I want to go to two places I have to actually drive from one to the other because it's nothing but parking lots and pedestrian hostile roads separating them - sometimes it's a two minute drive, but that's so much easier to do than try and navigate on foot it's ridiculous. You want to go to the next store over, but it's 3 lanes each way of homicidal traffic between you and it, or a 5 minute walk to get to the closest cross-walk.
Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by throwaway809484 on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @02:36PM (#18017918)
This is precisely what shines so much in Pontevedra (the city featured in the article) and e.g. Oviedo (another Spanish city that aggressively adopted this policy in 1991). Local shopping benefited so much from banning cars downtown. Little specialty shops and cafes blossomed vs suburban malls.

Sadly, I think this is only easy to accomplish in mid-sized densely-populated cities (<= 250000 inhabitants), unless there's a lot of planning and investments done.

Paradoxically, shopping associations were initially strongly opposed to implementing car-less downtown plans. Only to reckon later how wrong they were.

If I recall correctly, car-less policies were imported from Aarhus and Aalborg, where majors were experimenting with turning some main streets into pedestrian only by the late 1980s.

It's also interesting to note that both Aalborg and Oviedo tend to rank very highly in a few quality of life EU metrics [1]. I know both, and they are pretty fantastic places to work and live in. Everything is within short walking distance.

[1] http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/sources/docgener/studies...

Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by ta1234567890 on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @07:17PM (#18020163)
> Sadly, I think this is only easy to accomplish in mid-sized densely-populated cities (<= 250000 inhabitants), unless there's a lot of planning and investments done.

You are right about the "easy" part, but it can definitely be done. In fact that's what Tokyo feels like, and it's the largest city/metro area in the world, with 38 million residents.

Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by minikomi on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @07:45PM (#18020369)
Indeed. I've lived in downtown Tokyo for 8 years without even owning a driver's licence. Walking through the city is one of my favorite pastimes.
Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by bentoscher on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @11:47AM (#18025055)
Take a bit of time to walk; Look, wonder, have a talk. There is no journey without the ´jour´; All should at least once be a flaneur.
Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by minikomi on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @11:44PM (#18029604)
An original poem? Lovely :)
Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by bentoscher on Thursday September 20, 2018 @04:10PM (#18035096)
Yea, its original. Thanks. Ive been a long time lurker here on HN, and thought i might contribute by putting my on topic thoughts into rhyme.
Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by etatoby on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @11:30PM (#18029559)
I moved here 2.5 months ago and I'm so glad I did. It's a huge metropolis where one can comfortably live without owning a car. On top of that, it has one of the lowest crime rates among the world's big cities:

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_current.jsp

Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by lovemenot on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @03:55AM (#18022566)
Sure, but the whole thing depends on there being world-class public transportation. Fortunately, Tokyo has that.
Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by nextos on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @07:09PM (#18020106)
I second the fact that most towns in Denmark have superb pedestrian-friendly downtowns. Ghent is also really good in this regard. And of course some mid towns in Spain & France.

Many American and British cities fail in this regard due to excessively sparse housing. But, for example, I found downtown DC & Arlington very walkable and nice.

Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by skookumchuck on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @05:30AM (#18022969)
When I was in Denmark, many downtown roads were close to cars, making them pedestrian malls. Unfortunately, certain traffic was allowed, such as official vehicles. There was just enough of them to pretty much ruin things. You couldn't just amble down the street without having to constantly get out of the way of them.

It's like being in the airport concourse with those electric golf cars racing between the pedestrians with their interminable annoying beeping.

Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by ChristianBundy on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @05:38PM (#18019377)
I'm not sure how or why, but you're dead. Your comments are only visible to people with `showdead` enabled.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by dang on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @02:32AM (#18022188)
The comment was killed by HN's anti-troll software, which is tuned more aggressively for new accounts and unfortunately gets some cases wrong. Fortunately users tend to vouch for those, as happened here. That unkills them.
Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by throwaway809484 on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @06:02PM (#18019587)
Me neither, but thanks for letting me know.
Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by topmonk on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @09:44PM (#18020996)
I wonder, when/if autonomous taxis come about will the whole attitude of catering to cars over than pedestrians will cease.

If people don't have cars, parking won't be a problem, and walking from one store to another rather than paying for a taxi would become preferable. Then more people would have the awful experience of walking half a mile through a giant paved parking lot which would motivate people to change it.

Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by ajmurmann on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @11:22PM (#18021444)
I'm worried that the opposite will become true. Autonomous taxis will drastically reduce the cost of taking a car ride. The benefit though might be that we get rid of the parking lots since a much higher percentage of total cars should be made up of vehicles that are shared and those shared vehicles should have much higher utilization than personal cars.
Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @10:17AM (#18024320)
I feel like you'd end up with a micro-payment type system - it'd be $1 to cross a parking lot or two and you'd have fields of parking lots everywhere to house the cars that would serve the instant demand people would expect.
Re:Life in the Spanish city that banned cars by topmonk on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @07:50PM (#18028580)
I don't think there would be so many parking lots needed. Cars today spend most of their time not in use, which is why we need such large amounts of area to store them.