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Re:China’s Silicon Valley Dream Bumps Against Reality by Kalium on Sunday September 16, 2018 @08:26AM (#17998585)
When you can travel freely in an area basically the size of continental Europe without a passport, having one is not generally seen as a baseline requirement for being a regular person. This is a major change in mentality from many places where countries are smaller and crossing them not a rare event.

There might be a minor distinction to be made between having a no interest in other cultures and having £1500 lying around to fly to London.

Re:China’s Silicon Valley Dream Bumps Against Reality by raverbashing on Sunday September 16, 2018 @08:42AM (#17998648)
> There might be a minor distinction to be made between having a no interest in other cultures and having £1500 lying around to fly to London.

1500? Easily doable for 500/600 return with some planning.

I get those values when searching MIA-London in Google flights, doable with other cities as well

Re:China’s Silicon Valley Dream Bumps Against Reality by astura on Sunday September 16, 2018 @11:32AM (#17999387)
If you live on the east coast you can get a discount flight to London for only $200 round trip. When these sales come up a group of my friends grabs tickets and go together, it's become a tradition.
Re:China’s Silicon Valley Dream Bumps Against Reality by Kalium on Sunday September 16, 2018 @08:48AM (#17998661)
San Francisco to London can easily run $2000 coach. That said, you're absolutely right! It's always possible to find a way to get around for much less than typical full price, and you are very correct to note this.

However, is it perhaps possible that the precise numbers might not be particularly relevant to the point? It's still at least an order of magnitude more than the cheap flight, for two major destination cities about as far apart and Detroit and Dallas.

Re:China’s Silicon Valley Dream Bumps Against Reality by tim333 on Sunday September 16, 2018 @09:00AM (#17998709)
Trying randomly for Detroit to Dallas vs Detroit to London on Oct 1 it was £51 vs £133 single. The London routing involved changing in Reykjavik though.
Re:China’s Silicon Valley Dream Bumps Against Reality by arcticfox on Sunday September 16, 2018 @11:04AM (#17999262)
For anyone curious how that ~$170 USD fare is possible, it's WOW airlines and doesn't even include an overhead bin. It's great that WOW exists as an option, but it's hardly standard.

For example, from St. Louis, the cheapest round trip is in the ~$900 USD range.

Re:China’s Silicon Valley Dream Bumps Against Reality by obscurantist on Monday September 17, 2018 @09:06PM (#18011540)
The lack of overhead bins makes me go WOW.
Re:China’s Silicon Valley Dream Bumps Against Reality by roel_v on Sunday September 16, 2018 @02:56PM (#18000422)
You don't need a passport (as a European) to travel within the EU either.
Re:China’s Silicon Valley Dream Bumps Against Reality by dewey on Monday September 17, 2018 @08:24AM (#18005182)
That used to be true but countries started checking again since the latest refugee crisis. Austria / Italy. Austria / Germany you definitely get checked if you travel by train and sometimes car.