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Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by Rotdhizon on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:28AM (#17984670)
Could they face repercussions over this? That is unsettling that they can remotely manipulate your phone without your permission.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by wvenable on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:34AM (#17984926)
Most people buy Google phones specifically because they want Google to remotely manipulate their phones as quickly as possible with the latest Candy-named software. It's an in-demand feature.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by remir on Friday September 14, 2018 @02:29AM (#17985106)
There's a difference between fast-software updates and turning on/off certain features without the user's consent.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by eh78ssxv2f on Friday September 14, 2018 @02:43AM (#17985161)
> turning on/off certain features without the user's consent.

I think that in practice, that applies to only the privacy sensitive features. Would you be upset if suddenly they rolled out a feature that reduced battery consumption by 10%?

This particular case was obviously a bug, but I suppose every software manufacturer is continuously doing A/B testing, and 99% of time the user would not even notice. I would be surprised if Google was not doing A/B testing, and did not have the whole framework for doing it.

Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by Dylan16807 on Friday September 14, 2018 @06:45AM (#17986167)
> Would you be upset if suddenly they rolled out a feature that reduced battery consumption by 10%?

If they secretly installed it, of course I would be. It's not like this is the only way to deliver features...

Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by pritambaral on Friday September 14, 2018 @07:19AM (#17986327)
> I would be surprised if Google was not doing A/B testing

On live (not beta), unsuspecting users, without their consent?

Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by remir on Friday September 14, 2018 @02:49AM (#17985186)
Would you be upset if suddenly they rolled out a feature that reduced battery consumption by 10%?

If you're talking about battery saving mode, I would be upset if they activated the feature (turning it on) without my consent, yes. I don't have issues with Google pushing improvement to their code via OS updates.

Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by UncleMeat on Friday September 14, 2018 @06:22PM (#17991537)
Is there? When calendar rolls out with a new UI is that different?
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by sandebert on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:36AM (#17984694)
I wouldn't be surprised if both Google and Apple could do whatever they want with our phones remotely. It's just that they usually don't, so we never see it.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by saagarjha on Friday September 14, 2018 @03:41AM (#17985420)
On iOS, at least, software updates require the user to enter their passcode, to prevent a San Bernardino-type backdoor. Though, I believe there are some assets that can be updated without a full system update.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by sandebert on Friday September 14, 2018 @04:12AM (#17985543)
I don't mean to be a tin foil hat, but I have to ask: How do you know? Do you work at Apple, with this exact thing?

From my perspective there shouldn't be a problem for Apple to have the regular updates work as you describe. And also for them to have an alternative method they can use without any user intervention at all. (Which probably very seldom is used.)

Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by moetech on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:24AM (#17984884)
They can't if you're running Lineage OS.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by spyridonas on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:43AM (#17984955)
I'm not that certain. From my understanding this works through Google play services that most people will install on other roms as well
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by ce4 on Friday September 14, 2018 @04:28AM (#17985602)
And dont install GApps.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by mikejb on Friday September 14, 2018 @02:50AM (#17985187)
The "without your permission" bit is where you're probably wrong. But I agree with your sentiment that it's unsettling.
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Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by ardy42 on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:00AM (#17984780)
>> That is unsettling that they can remotely manipulate your phone without your permission.

> Did you even read the post? It was a bug... They do A/B testing and experiments all the time. What's up with hackernews and going full technopanic at the smallest most benign things. It's not like someone at Google hacked into your phone and turned battery saver off.

I'm sure he did read the post.

For Google to perform A/B experiments on a random person's phone, they'd have to remotely manipulate that person's phone, which means Google has control of it at all times. They shouldn't even have the capability to perform an A/B test. We're not talking about some webapp running on their servers.

Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by kkarakk on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:15AM (#17984849)
obvious iphone user - google play services has full control of your phone. find your phone on android works because of this. if you don't trust google you CAN use the phone without google play services(you have to jump through some hoops like with everything privacy related)
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by sometimesijust on Friday September 14, 2018 @03:06AM (#17985242)
You don't even need to uninstall it. The permission to modify system settings etc can be set to not allowed in the Google Play Services app info page. So it isn't even surprising that the service can do what it did.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by cheeze on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:03AM (#17984794)
Yeah. Duh. Of course they do.

Ever heard of remote lock down features?

Don't use a Google phone if you don't want to be the product. That simple. Why would anybody trust Google and the Android ecosystem with security in general?

Sent from my galaxy s9

Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by radicaldreamer on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:01AM (#17984784)
This is far different than running an A/B test in an app though. This is an OS level feature where there’s an explicit expectation of user control.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by trevor-e on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:03AM (#17984792)
This doesn't address the OP's concerns at all, and how would it be any better? I get wanting to A/B test for apps, but doing so for OS-level features is a bit unsettling.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by helthanatos on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:34AM (#17984689)
They can also delete media from your phone. Had a graphic video of that carnival ride breaking and killing someone and it was deleted...
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by 013a on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:46AM (#17984730)
Is this for real? Was it deleted specifically on Google Photos, with a local copy still available or possibly available if it hadn't already been cleared locally? Or was it a legitimate "reach into local storage and clear it"?
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by ehsankia on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:49AM (#17984741)
I'd be wary of believing some random anecdotal story with absolutely zero proof and very little detail.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by laserBro13Fcali on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:28AM (#17984903)

  anecdotal story with absolutely zero proof
If you lack real control over your device, "absolutely zero proof" is the new normal, and everything that gets zeroed out of RAM is rendered anecdotal thusly.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by helthanatos on Friday September 14, 2018 @03:20PM (#17990076)
It was only local.
Re:Google activated battery saving mode on multiple phones, ... by sebazzz on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:45AM (#17984726)
Was it uploaded to some cloud service?