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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by 01100011 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @05:03PM (#17982568)
Well, my optical sensors(i.e. eyes) provide me with enough information to discriminate a cat from a bag, so I suppose with enough processing we should be able to do the same with a control system. Cars have an added advantage that their vision systems could work in lower light and non-optical wavelengths. I don't see any fundamental issues with getting self-driving cars working. It may not happen in 5 years, but it will happen.
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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by xyhopguy on Thursday September 13, 2018 @05:33PM (#17982834)
The tough part about this line of reasoning is you can't tease apart the discriminatory power of human knowledge from human vision. How good does our expert system need to be? How good do our sensors need to be? I'm not so sure this is an easy to question to resolve
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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by wpietri on Thursday September 13, 2018 @06:34PM (#17983294)
Exactly. Children have decent hand-eye coordination as toddlers. By 3 or 4, they can drive toy cars; by 5 they're riding bikes. But it takes them another decade or more to have the knowledge and judgment needed to drive a car in traffic. And even then they're not great; teens have a crash rate something like 3x other drivers.
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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by thereisnospork on Thursday September 13, 2018 @08:09PM (#17983785)
Because of immaturity, not cognitive or physical capability. Kids start racing go karts as young as five - and that's a far more difficult, requiring fast reflexes, precise car control, and situational awareness. It's a far more challenging task than an average commute.
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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by chemicalnovae on Thursday September 13, 2018 @11:39PM (#17984522)
Not really, racing carts is primarily about the ability to control the thing under very well defined conditions (read: much better than your average 3 lane highway with hundreds of other road users) with other road users with the exact same end goal.
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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by wpietri on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:20AM (#17984645)
Exactly. "Immaturity" includes a big lack of detailed domain knowledge and domain-specific judgment, which is one of the things I think is going to be very hard to teach to computers.
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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by joesb on Friday September 14, 2018 @02:47AM (#17985176)
I think domain specific judgement is what computers excel than human.

What human has advantage of is utilizing knowledge in unrelated domain to another domain.

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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by wpietri on Saturday September 15, 2018 @01:34AM (#17993141)
Depends on what you mean by "domain", I suppose. But driving is a very broad domain. One has to understand human custom, human psychology, and human ethics, for example. As well as the behavior of wildlife, some applied meteorology, and a fair bit of understanding of both law and police practice. To a computer, these might be unrelated domains, but they aren't if you put a computer behind the wheel.
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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by thanatropism on Thursday September 13, 2018 @05:29PM (#17982788)
Yes, but your machine learning algos are much much better.
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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by eddieplan9 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @05:31PM (#17982805)
An intelligence animal being able to do something != "with enough processing we should be able to do the same with a control system".
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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by ddoolin on Thursday September 13, 2018 @06:01PM (#17983049)
Why not?
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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by pretendscholar on Thursday September 13, 2018 @06:15PM (#17983154)
One possible answer would be that we aren't intelligent enough to create such systems. I don't think that's true but its a possibility.
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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by majewsky on Thursday September 13, 2018 @08:13PM (#17983806)
> we aren't intelligent enough to create such systems

Evolution suggests that you can, in fact, create systems that are more intelligent than what came before them.

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Re:Driverless Hype Collides with Merciless Reality by mattnewport on Thursday September 13, 2018 @10:58PM (#17984401)
Evolution achieves that in part by a callous disregard for individual lives. The intelligences that evolution has produced are built on an unimaginable pile of corpses. Even Uber doesn't seem quite as willing as mother nature to spend quite so many lives to achieve incremental improvements.
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