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Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by throwaway2048 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @08:22PM (#17974819)
Cheating and fraud are endemic to Chinese culture, getting one over on a sucker is just an expected part of daily life there.

I would not downplay this.

Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by dang on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:27PM (#17975161)
This breaks the HN guidelines by being flamebait on a divisive topic, which predictably leads to flamewar, in this case national/ethnic flamewar, one of the worst kinds. We're trying to avoid that here, so please don't post that way to this site.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17974802 and marked it off-topic.

Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by kneel on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @08:40PM (#17974922)
Not all Chinese people that I've worked are like this.

But the most cheating, backstabbing, manipulative coworkers I've had were all Chinese.

From what I understand, in Chinese culture 'any means necessary' tactics are considered smart and fair game as long as they work.

Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by jonathanyc on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:26PM (#17975159)
Not all people from the East Coast that I’ve met aren’t sociopaths, but the only actual sociopaths I’ve ever met were both from the East Coast.

Now consider how ridiculous it would be for me to conclude that in East Coast culture sociopathy is significantly more encouraged than elsewhere, and then think about how much larger the population and how much more diverse the cultures of China are compared to the East Coast. Your comment is silly.

Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by oceanman888 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:00PM (#17975034)
As a Chinese I don't get offended by this, depending on the people they he interacted with this may largely be true.
Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by analyst74 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:12PM (#17975081)
Personally the only times when I got back-stabbed at work were by Canadians, but I don't go around making conclusion about Canadian culture being backstabby.

If 1 in 10 Chinese you met are manipulators, that means 9 out of 10 are NOT honest/manipulative, how can you then go conclude "in Chinese culture 'any means necessary' tactics are considered smart and fair game as long as they work."?

Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by oceanman888 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:42PM (#17975248)
I move out of china for college in japan and I feel I can view things without getting too emotional. In practice when you are dealing with people from mainland they are ruthless about business and do not share/acknowledge the rules people follow in westerner and other Asian countries(most of they are not aware of it of course). We hear ton of story about Chinese company stealing IP. China have this absence of culture in the last several decades that leave its people no core moral to follow. Whenever a business leader are portrayed in mass media, it is always about how well they are dominating the market, how fast they killed the competitors. While I talk to my Chinese relatives about business, all they care is profit.
Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by analyst74 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @11:49PM (#17975843)
Same as you, I moved to Canada for college, and for a while detached myself from "those lowly Chinese" still stuck in China. But eventually it occurred to me, people also judge me with those stereotypes. Looking at myself and other Chinese people I crossed path with, I feel most of us live with integrity and a high morale compass, and having those stereotypes applied to us are incredibly unfair and dangerous.

Holocaust did not stop after all the bad Jews were persecuted.

Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by analyst74 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @08:53PM (#17974988)
I don't think you realize how racist this statement is.

I'm also surprised you've never met manipulative people who are not Chinese, like, are you living in rural China?

Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by zuttton on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:13PM (#17975094)
This is a known Chinese problem, not racist it is ingrained in their culture. Chinese will literally riot if they are not allowed to cheat..
Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by analyst74 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @11:58PM (#17975894)
Anti-cheating was incredibly strong in my experience, my mother taught middle school in China, and there has not been any widespread cheating scandals that she was aware of in her circles.

Rich and powerful generally "cheat" by buying seats at prestigious schools with money or other forms of contribution, or by sending their kids to foreign colleges where the competition is easier.

Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien... by acbart on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:17PM (#17975114)
I suppose you're thinking of these riots [1] after cheating was forbidden in university entrance exams in one Chinese locale?

[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/101323...