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Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by bcheung on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @07:20PM (#17974430)
The stronger they push ridiculous laws like this the more it will force perfectly legitimate business to go underground. We will end up with all the problems of prohibition all over again.

> is intended to give publishers and papers a way to make money when companies like Google link to their stories

So Google should pay you when they send you more traffic? More traffic = more money. Most companies would be overjoyed if someone sends them free business. Google and countless others even provide tools like Adwords so you can monetize your site if you can't figure out how to do it yourself.

I wonder how long until companies outside of Europe decide it's easier just to block all traffic from Europe in protest.

This is a weakening of safe harbor provisions. This law makes it extremely difficult to have a platform with any kind of user generated content. As long as a company is taking reasonable measures to combat piracy, hate speech, etc, they need to be granted indemnity from the actions of rogue users.

Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by 6ue7nNMEEbHcM on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:35AM (#17976506)
> I wonder how long until companies outside of Europe decide it's easier just to block all traffic from Europe in protest.

Exactly this. I already hit error 451 when trying to read some local news in US when browsing from Europe (I don't remember name of the page now). This happened after GPDR came into effect. I can totally relate with companies who don't want to deal with legal mess related with GPDR and other nonsense from EU an prefer to just show the user error 451 page. I'm pretty sure VPN providers and huge companies like Google will benefit from this legislation.

Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by AndyMcConachie on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:44AM (#17976549)
European here. I can't view some major newspapers in the US such as the LA Times. Smallers ones like the Virginia Gazette and Daily Press are also verboten for me.

Many US newspapers now redirect to tronc.com for a standard disclaimer.

For example, the LA Times redirects to http://www.tronc.com/gdpr/latimes.com/, which says this.

Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism.

Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by mike10010100 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @10:03AM (#17978673)
This also happens to me. Evidently my FiOS IP looks European despite the fact that I live near NYC...
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by Grangar on Thursday September 13, 2018 @09:05AM (#17978267)
I just use outline.com/[url]. Also helps to circumvent paywalls.
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by crististm on Thursday September 13, 2018 @05:27AM (#17977204)
An universal ban like this is exactly the needed cure
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by spurcell93 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @11:35AM (#17979435)
Ditto. I was in Europe for a month this summer, and a disturbingly large amount of pages were unavailable to me.
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by swebs on Thursday September 13, 2018 @05:56AM (#17977316)
> I already hit error 451 when trying to read some local news in US when browsing from Europe

The Frederick News Post of Frederick, Maryland does this.

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/

Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by bryanrasmussen on Thursday September 13, 2018 @04:12AM (#17976898)
I foresee a change to the adwords/google analytics contract foregoing link tax etc. for your content to be used by google.
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by mrhappyunhappy on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:00AM (#17976390)
Fuck it, block Europe entirely. See how quickly the politicians there crawl back on their knees when they cant use Facebook to see their grandkids pictures.
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by joering2 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @04:08AM (#17976879)
Honestly I think the point they are trying to make is that they don’t need US-based behemots to control internet in Europe. Take Russia for example - they have vkontakte (if i spell it correctly) and politicians are all fine watching grandkids there; some probably dont even know what “facebook” is, as even POR doesnt speak English and constantly uses translators.

Whats happening in real i think is that EU realized it will never be able to chop Google or Facebook in pieces so they make it harder for these companies to exist on local market. At the end of the day free market still rules in Europe - if Facebook disappears their hole will be quickly filled in with 20 other social networks “made in European Union”.

Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by incompatible on Thursday September 13, 2018 @04:27AM (#17976964)
Won't these “made in European Union” social networks have exactly the same problems as the Americans in complying with the regulations? In Russia and China, I believe they just openly discriminate against foreign companies.
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by JAlexoid on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:38PM (#17989182)
You are aware that it's pretty much only American companies that are bitching about GPDR, right?

EU laws already cover EU companies as a matter of domicile. GPDR only applies the rules of service delivery already present in EU. EU service delivery rules say that a service is delivery point is considered the place where the service consumer is, not where the provider is domiciled.

Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by joering2 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @04:40AM (#17977022)
We don't know how enforcement will look just yet, but at the end of the day, court-related decisions are made by humans and its hard to argue that Facebook version made in France will be less or equally looked upon in European court than Facebook made in Silicon Valley, U.S.A.
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by kerrsclyde on Thursday September 13, 2018 @05:03AM (#17977114)
Quite, but this ruling seems to strengthen Facebook's hand not weaken it.
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by Izkata on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:46PM (#17980686)
I'm not so sure. Take a look at Google and YouTube:

YouTube regularly blocks fair-use videos (remixes, criticism, etc) because the automated filter finds something that matches and can't recognize context.

Google regularly gets DMCA takedown requests for search results that go to official websites and YouTube ads/trailers.

My Facebook feed is covered with old acquaintances sharing news links and other such content.

It seems like it would be really easy for Facebook to run afoul of this, just due to others' incompetence.

Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by bryanrasmussen on Thursday September 13, 2018 @04:10AM (#17976884)
what kind of perfectly legitimate business going underground do you foresee? I mean with prohibition the thing that went underground was addictive. I guess the argument has been made that facebook is addictive but I don't see them going underground - and frankly I don't see the next facebook competitor going 'underground' either (I just don't foresee one springing up)
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by imbur on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:39AM (#17976324)
Why should Google be able to profit off of others content without compensating them? Compulsory licenses are standard in the music industry, and in theory the same could work well for journalism. But the devil is in the details.
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by visarga on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:25AM (#17976462)
By that logic, should the phonebook have to pay people to include them? Should the travel pamphlet pay the restaurants it sends people to? Using snippets of the content to send people to the source is essential for online dialogue, not just for Google. Should we all have to pay for referring to an article in a forum?

Mark my words: if this were enforced, people and most companies would simply stop linking these sites. What I think will happen instead is that many websites would not want this kind of situation, so we will add a new clause to the robots.txt permitting linking and small snippets, and most websites would enable it rather than lose the link and search traffic. Then we'd be back where we started.

By the way, what happens when an European newspaper is hosted in US? What laws apply?

Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by JAlexoid on Friday September 14, 2018 @01:41PM (#17989208)
Your name is a matter of fact, thus not subject to copyright. It seems that you can't grasp the concept of copyrightable content.
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by harimau777 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @06:16AM (#17977401)
If a website doesn't want its content to be summarized by Google couldn't they just block it in their robots.txt? From what I've seen that results in Google listing the page's title but with no description.

Maybe search engines could adopt some sort of standard that would allow pages to provide their desired description using meta tags if they don't want an automated summary. I could see a problem with pages using dishonest summaries, but perhaps that could be addressed by penalizing the page rank if the provided summary is too different than the summary that Google would have generated.

Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by hnmcQIOoQUDv on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:58AM (#17976596)
Why should Google continue to refer traffic to these sites for free without compensation?
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by GijsjanB on Thursday September 13, 2018 @04:19AM (#17976919)
Euh... Google makes billions of dollars referring traffic...
Re:EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ ... by sgift on Thursday September 13, 2018 @05:57AM (#17977319)
As do the pages. All this has been tested before in Germany with the Leistungsschutzrecht. Even before it was struck down by the courts it was more or less not active anymore. Google just stopped sending traffic to the pages of the German publishers. It took only a few days until Axel Springer & Co. came crawling back and made a deal with Google that they are allowed to link without compensation.