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Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by codemusings on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @08:17AM (#17967728)
What I don't understand is how companies with hundreds of deployments are still fine with crap like this? You can't disable updates. Computers are rebooted without asking. It's ridiculous.
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by detaro on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:22AM (#17968375)
Businesses don't use the Home version. The "higher" editions have more control, and in a business setting you can manage those settings centrally.
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by pixl97 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @11:43AM (#17969901)
You mean the pro version.... Oops, sorry you need candy crush, you need the Enterprise version to get rid of that!
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by minedwiz on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:23PM (#17975142)
Not even enterprise gets rid of that crap.
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by detaro on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @11:57AM (#17970088)
I have a Windows 10 Pro in front of me and not a trace of it, and I don't think I changed anything relevant after the initial setup and setting policies to get rid of crap. I wonder what the missing difference is...

EDIT: I'm not using a Microsoft account, that might be it?

Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by thejrk on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:19AM (#17968344)
You use WSUS to control your updates and GPO's to control most everything else. It's not hard.
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by dhimes on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @08:48AM (#17968021)
My guess is that for a fee you can avoid this shit.
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by mavhc on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:21AM (#17968369)
Your standard Windows 10 options are Pro: Free but with ads, or Enterprise: Pay yearly to be able to remove ads
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by drbawb on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @10:17AM (#17969001)
>Your standard Windows 10 options are Pro . . .

Oh how quaint. Do you have a Ryzen CPU? If so you're leaving performance on the table, because core complexes are internally implemented as NUMA nodes. Windows 10 Pro does not ship with a NUMA aware scheduler. If you want that you're looking at $300[1] for Windows 10 Pro for Workstations. -- Personally I would not consider Pro a "standard" option since it doesn't work w/ ~40%[2] of new CPUs sold.

[1]: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-10-pro-for-worksta...

[2]: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Intel-AM...

Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by detaro on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @11:45AM (#17969928)
Do you have any source that Enterprise (or Server versions or ...) is better than Pro with Ryzen CPUs? All benchmarks I've seen show all Windows versions having issues with the Threadripper CPUs in NUMA mode. Which is kind of embarassing, but not a market segmentation thing. Unless I missed something?
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by mciancia on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @10:58AM (#17969411)
> Windows 10 Pro does not ship with a NUMA aware scheduler Any source of that? Link you provided only tells that Win10 pro for workstations support 4 socket configurations, nothing about numa
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by mavhc on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @02:18PM (#17971499)
Not sure if all Ryzen CPUs use NUMA, just the Threadripper I thought, they're the ones with the option to act in UMA or NUMA mode, right?

AMD do disagree that windows 10 scheduler is a problem, for standard Ryzen anyway https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-and-Windo...

Do you have benchmarks for the same cpu on Windows 10 Pro, Workstation and Server?

Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by lostmsu on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @10:50AM (#17969337)
I think that only applies to Threadripper. And I expect them to fix that.
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by mr_toad on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:23PM (#17975141)
Depending which sources you believe a lot, possibility the majority, of companies are still running Windows 7.
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:23AM (#17968384)
Lack of realistic alternatives mostly (surely someone will champion Linux here, that person is deluded). Someday, if MS keeps pushing this direction, the pain of dealing with another OS's shortcomings and differences will be outweighed, but we're not there yet.

And we're not fine with it, we just can't do anything about it because Microsoft does not listen to complaints.

Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by jake_the_third on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:33AM (#17968500)
I'll be that deluded person here: we completely switched to using Linux at my workplace and never touched windows 10. Granted we're a software dev shop, but from what I've seen, realistic workable alternatives do exist.

Cheers.

Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @09:38AM (#17968568)
Clearly you're not developing software for Windows, though. I'm guessing you're a small web startup or something. You don't have to deal with the workflows of corporate offices that have existed for 20 years.
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by invokestatic on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @10:22AM (#17969041)
Small startup here as well, but we target 95% Windows (going back all the way to XP) and we recently transitioned to a WSL Clang-based toolchain (linking against MSVCRT) so it would be feasible for someone to use a pure Linux environment for serious Windows development, although inconvenient because it is untestable.
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by LoSboccacc on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @12:46PM (#17970619)
If you target xp let them test under wine, win-win for everyon
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by Narishma on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @01:47PM (#17971181)
And when you run into bugs, how do you know if it's an issue with your software, Wine or Windows XP?
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by Dylan16807 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:01AM (#17976393)
The same way you normally tell if a bug is in the program or OS, except now it's easier because you can swap out half the equation for comparison?
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by ekianjo on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @10:26AM (#17969086)
> Clearly you're not developing software for Windows,

that's a great point, though. You can live in a world where you can have a software business that does not depend on Windows. 20 years ago, that was pretty much a dream.

Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @01:30PM (#17971054)
Software businesses are a pretty small cross section of businesses though.
Re:Microsoft intercepting Firefox, Chrome installation on Wi... by LoSboccacc on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @12:49PM (#17970654)
uh, didn’t most banking environment ran on as/400 and derivatives back then?