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Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by beamatronic on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @01:09AM (#17965705)
Has anyone ever calculated the maximum possible wage for a job? Take strawberry picking for an example. If run by a non-profit, what is the highest possible wage? Would be interesting to see this relative to the actual wage.
Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by TangoTrotFox on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @01:45AM (#17965827)
The entire farming industry is distorted. It's much more subsidized and controlled than most industries. For instance we literally pay some farmers not to grow food. And at times when harvests are high the government will prevent farmers from marketing some portion of their harvest which, in extreme cases, can mean that food simply ends up getting destroyed. It's all about extreme manipulation of supply to try to control prices.

I'm not really supporting or opposing the system, which is a topic for another place, but just mentioning that farming is not like people think it is. So trying to determine what 'market wages' would be like is not really possible when much of the entire industry is operated outside the bounds of the market.

Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by toofy on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @02:58AM (#17966130)
> For instance we literally pay some farmers not to grow food. And at times when harvests are high the government will prevent farmers from marketing some portion of their harvest which, in extreme cases, can mean that food simply ends up getting destroyed

Wait, so they are intentionally keeping food prices higher by paying people to not grow food? I mean, I understand that we need farmers and dipping food price markets isn't ideal, but... wow... what a world.

Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by oblio on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @04:24AM (#17966493)
It's most likely from the Grand Depression, when farmers were literally throwing away food because of over production. Subsidies smooth out production cycles and keep farmers in business.
Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by wincy on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @02:06AM (#17965913)
I think it would fluctuate depending on the prices of strawberries. And if you spent all your money giving out the maximum possible wage and your crops failed you’d go out of business because you weren’t able to save money.
Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by candiodari on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @03:12AM (#17966180)
Exactly. This cannot work without forcing a whole range of products a LOT more expensive than they are.

That's a feature, not a bug.

But yes, the rest of society will become a LOT "poorer" (but still comfortable) for no more than a decent increase in the living standard of the working poor.

Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by oblio on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @04:23AM (#17966489)
Isn't that just going to plummet the demand for strawberries, thus completely wiping out those jobs?
Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by candiodari on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @08:16AM (#17967717)
If this is being done across the board, that won't be a problem.
Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by beamatronic on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @07:35PM (#17974551)
What I meant instead is if you divide up the profits per worker-hour, how much of a multiple would it be. 2x, 10x, etc.
Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by eitally on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @01:30AM (#17965777)