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Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by mjevans on Monday September 03, 2018 @07:22PM (#17905502)
Physical stores also SHOULD have a benefit that Amazon seems to have no will to address.

Quality control.

If you do have an item through a retail store with a physical presence, not only should (common) items be there at any time, they should also be of actual durable quality.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by ChuckMcM on Monday September 03, 2018 @08:20PM (#17905715)
Agreed, Amazon is getting deep into 'Day 2' territory by not policing the inventory controls and seller scams. From counterfeit goods to used goods sold as new, Amazon expanded to the point where the new shoppers it picks up are 'bargain at any cost' who are being served by these marginal sellers, and they are then losing their buyers who want a reliable purchase experience.

Not to mention Amazon's ability to throw your purchases at your door when the disinterested delivery agent is only measured on packages delivered per hour rather than returns due to damage.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by x0x0 on Monday September 03, 2018 @09:27PM (#17905979)
I, and by extension my company, refuse to buy (1) anything apple makes on amazon; (2) any electrical item under $200. No chargers, no cables, no nothing.

You all should try bhphoto.com -- good prices, no counterfeit gear.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by justinator on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:14AM (#17906805)
bhphoto has their own problems [0]

http://www.bhexposed.org/

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by arethuza on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @04:59AM (#17907619)
I've pretty much given up on buying anything physical from Amazon after yet another "genuine Apple" part turned out not to be.

It's not that I'm anti-Amazon - I use my Kindle every day, a long time Audible subscriber and I use Prime Video.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by jacobolus on Monday September 03, 2018 @08:46PM (#17905807)
> 'Day 2' territory

What does this mean?

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by dsjoerg on Monday September 03, 2018 @09:08PM (#17905885)
It's a reference to Amazon's "Day 1" philosophy. https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/04/13/jeff-bezos-says-it...
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by tw04 on Monday September 03, 2018 @07:32PM (#17905545)
This is a bit random, but case in point - I just needed some batteries today for a garage door opener. I refuse to order them from Amazon because I've gotten burned multiple times. The ONLY batteries I'd ever order from Amazon are their Amazon basics brand.
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by dbcurtis on Monday September 03, 2018 @08:57PM (#17905852)
Interestingly, “Amazon Basics” has no counterfeitting problem. It is not that Amazon can’t fix counterfeiting, they just don’t care unless it is their own brand.

At some point this crosses the line into anti-trust territory.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by Theodores on Monday September 03, 2018 @10:44PM (#17906241)
I imagine I could make some fake Duracell batteries and list them on Amazon with the Amazon folks (if they cared) thinking this was 'seller #143' also selling the same stuff. However, if I was to make some fake 'genuine Amazon Basics batteries' and then list them on Amazon I might not just blend in so easily. Someone at Amazon or even a customer might think 'where were these sourced as it wasn't through Amazon' for the gig to soon be up.

There are other vectors for counterfeiting own brand products but you would have to be a supplier. In normal retail 'own brand' products can be sourced from many suppliers. If you are selling ready meals then the exterior pack could be provided by the supermarket with that being consistent. Meanwhile the contents could come from one of many industrial units at one of many suppliers. In this way 'co-mingling' is possible. In the UK we had a little problem a few years ago where 'own brand' ready meals were full of horsemeat. The products themselves were 'legit' but the contents were not.

I would say that Amazon Basics are vulnerable to this type of fakery that goes on further up the food chain. This is fully possible with commodity items such as batteries. As per the UK horsemeat problem there is a serious reputation risk if this happens, terrifying the customers this way is a bigger existential threat to the brand than any 'anti trust' laws.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by ajmurmann on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @10:18AM (#17909194)
I think the difference is that in that case Amazon controls the entire chain. They have the batteries manufactured and plan stock themselves. For market place items on Amazon (which are now most items) someone else just rents a bin in their warehouse, ships stuff to it and gives Amazon a description to show on their website. Amazon in that case is more like Airbnb for goods or a more automated eBay.

It would be interesting to see counterfeit numbers for items sold by Amazon itself vs by someone else on Amazon. Anecdotally I've never had an issue with stuff sold by Amazon itself and steer away from our vendors if possible.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by tw04 on Monday September 03, 2018 @10:42PM (#17906230)
Never really thought about it that way, but interesting none the less. I have no idea if it's intentional but I definitely lean towards the Amazon branded stuff when it's an option for the fear of counterfeits.
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by lemoncucumber on Monday September 03, 2018 @11:49PM (#17906504)
While I wholeheartedly agree that Amazon has a problem with quality and counterfeit/knockoff items, IMO quality control has nothing to do with brick and mortar stores.

If I order something from, say, nordstrom.com, I’m pretty confident that the item will be high quality and exactly the same as if I’d bought it from one of their physical stores.

Or for another example, if I were to order some clothing from mrporter.com, I have similar expectations of quality even though they have no physical stores.

If I buy something from eBay or Craigslist though, I have no expectations that it will be of a certain quality standard.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by TheAceOfHearts on Monday September 03, 2018 @11:10PM (#17906339)
I've been moving away from Amazon for a while now simply to reduce the risk of getting counterfeit items. At least with other retailers you can feel much more confident that they're not selling you a fake.

Frys is a nice choice for buying electronics: they have in-store same-day pickup, and they'll price match Amazon and Newegg. It's pretty convenient if you have one nearby.

This one surprised me a bit, but Best Buy also has equivalent prices to Amazon on a lot of things. A few days back I was looking for some items and found that they had everything available for the same price and I could go pick it up on the same day.

Amazon do seem to be stepping up their delivery speed, though. This morning I ordered something that wasn't available at other retailers and I was given an option for same-day delivery. A few hours later it arrived.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by SomewhatLikely on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:53AM (#17907346)
Even if the shelf price at Best Buy isn't the same, they will match Amazon, Newegg, bhphoto and a few others. I even had to ask them to match their own online price before. It's convenient when you really want something immediately.
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by NullPrefix on Monday September 03, 2018 @07:28PM (#17905528)
I can't follow the point you're trying to make. Are you suggesting that retail employees could inspect the merchandise before giving it to the customer?
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by esaym on Monday September 03, 2018 @08:01PM (#17905648)
That's not the point. Retailers use a known supplier for their products. Amazon uses any one and anyone else (3rd party) can sell on amazon.

Common products that are normally sold at a high mark-up at retailers, are usually always counterfeit if bought from amazon. Case in point are the expensive electric tooth brush replacement heads by Oral-B.

You will pay $5-$8 per head from a physical retailer. Yet on amazon, there are tons of them being sold for much less. If you do buy one from amazon, the product will not be the same as from a physical store even though the packaging is identical. Its a cheap counterfeit.

Another time, I bought a hand cranked can opener. It was supposed to be a heavy duty "Made in America" can opener. Yet once I got it, the construction was nothing at all like the product images showed (was held together by cheap pop rivets instead of solid rivets) even though all the brand markings (including a big print "made in America") were there. It broke quickly. Looking on ebay I discovered an identical item only instead of it have a printed "made in America", it said "China"...

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by dsjoerg on Monday September 03, 2018 @09:10PM (#17905896)
"usually always" ?! Where does that go on this chart? https://flowingdata.com/2018/07/06/how-people-interpret-prob...
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by skookumchuck on Monday September 03, 2018 @09:01PM (#17905863)
I'm surprised retailers don't explicitly take advantage of this by advertising: "Don't be rooked by comingled inferior knockoffs. Get the genuine quality at BrandX stores!"
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by pjc50 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @06:13AM (#17907920)
Is this a US problem that's better in Europe, or is it a worldwide problem with Amazon? I've not heard much about it except via HN.
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by fashionrob on Monday September 03, 2018 @08:21PM (#17905719)
Huh? There are genuine Oral B and Phillips heads on Amazon.
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by hanklazard on Monday September 03, 2018 @08:28PM (#17905739)
The point is not that there are only counterfeits, but that your chance of getting one is much higher due to mixed supply
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by pravda on Monday September 03, 2018 @11:07PM (#17906324)
The Chinese have gotten much better with the Oral B toothbrush head counterfeits.

I bought some on eBay, advertised as genuine but not. The packaging was near perfect. The only thing that gave them away was the different mouth-feel and two misplaced mold release marks.

Genuine Braun dual-action brushheads have two divits on top of the brushhead. The copies have the two divits on the side.

I sent a note to the seller warning him that some counterfeits might have gotten into his supply. Seller refunded me.

If you get counterfeits from Amazon I am sure the 3rd party seller will refund you.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by Buge on Monday September 03, 2018 @08:41PM (#17905779)
Have you bought them?
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by jhou2 on Monday September 03, 2018 @10:07PM (#17906121)
I’ve bought both the brand name and cheaper knockoff Oral-B electric toothbrush heads. Haven’t been able to distinguish them yet in terms of quality and performance. YMMV.
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by paulie_a on Monday September 03, 2018 @08:13PM (#17905690)
Banana republic uses multiple suppliers and apparently 32 inches mean different things in different countries. By upwards of half a foot. I bought 3 pairs, three different countries, three different lengths. There is no guarantee from a normal retailer either.
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by ajmurmann on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @10:25AM (#17909243)
The fashion industry is completely crazy that way. It's not just banana republic. Years ago I worked on a ordering system for a fashion retailer and it was mind-blowing. Orders would be filled on a best-effort basis. You order 1k black M and 1k blue L and you receive 1.5k L white and 500 XXL red for example. So we'd have not only to store the order but also what was received. On top of that the designer might change vendors between orders and now you have different SKUs for what's supposed to be the same product.
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by wlesieutre on Monday September 03, 2018 @08:01PM (#17905645)
Because they’re shipping stuff supplied by random “merchants,” Amazon has no idea whether the products they sell you are authentic or fake.

For a major example of this, Apple sued sellers over knockoff (and potentially hazardous) USB chargers being sold as official Apple chargers. “Shipped and sold by Amazon” and as far as customers can tell, it’s the real thing.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/20/13343682/fake-apple-char...

Best Buy’s supply chain doesn’t have this problem.

This is common across all sorts of products. A shoe company (I forget which) stopped selling on Amazon because they couldn’t do anything about being mixed in with all the fakes, and fountain pens bought there (Lamy Safari in particular) have good odds of being Chinese knockoffs of questionable quality.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by luddaite on Monday September 03, 2018 @07:49PM (#17905600)
I ordered new electric toothbrush heads from Amazon about a year ago and ended up receiving a very obvious knockoff product. It might be my fault for not reading the listing carefully but this definitely would not have happened in a brick and mortar where I can pick up the product and see that it isn't some off-brand mimic.
Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by rarec on Monday September 03, 2018 @07:37PM (#17905556)
Amazon has incredibly poor quality control depending on what you're buying.

On the other hand, if you buy something retail, you can A. see it yourself first and B. have a physical store you can return it to.

Re:Hard Lessons Breathe New Life Into Retail Stores by bunderbunder on Monday September 03, 2018 @07:37PM (#17905559)
Brick and mortar retailers use a supply chain that is much more resistant to adulteration with counterfeit products than Amazon's is.