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Re:Learning BASIC Like It's 1983 by Annatar on Monday September 03, 2018 @04:36AM (#17901294)
"Hardware doesn't come with programming manuals anymore as it is deemed too complex (yeah right) and expensive."

It doesn't come with manuals because it is considered a trade secret. Commodore had to lay the hardware bare because it wasn't fast enough to program in a high level language nor did the high level languages fully support their hardware, whereas the hardware of today is so fast that nobody thinks anything of it programming it through a driver or a shared object library in a high level language. It's still wrong not to lay the hardware registers and their functionality bare (yes NVIDIA, have you forgotten your SGI roots?)

Re:Learning BASIC Like It's 1983 by AstralStorm on Monday September 03, 2018 @09:10AM (#17902381)
Rarely it is the case that showing relevant performance characteristics and APIs really exposes anything. AMD is perfectly fine with exposing the programming manual and most of setup code - it is not where the real important secrets lie...

It takes time to produce useful documentation though.

Re:Learning BASIC Like It's 1983 by IronBacon on Monday September 03, 2018 @03:30PM (#17904432)
I would also guess that RIAA/MPAA are somewhat responsible with the secrecy to enforce the DRM.

I've read a discussion in a forum where an AMD employee when questioned if it was possible to have a GPU's FW without DRM (or something like that) his answer was that would probably be a commercial suicide (OK, I'm little tired right now and I'm not recalling all the details of the conversation but I can try to dig it up... ^__^;)

Re:Learning BASIC Like It's 1983 by rwallace on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @03:35AM (#17915811)
Hasn't that changed in recent years? I've seen manuals for recent AMD GPU instruction sets.
Re:Learning BASIC Like It's 1983 by pjmlp on Monday September 03, 2018 @01:59PM (#17903978)
I remember that Amiga programming manuals had to be additionally bought from Commodore.
Re:Learning BASIC Like It's 1983 by Annatar on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:02AM (#17906771)
But they were available, and most of us used the optical character recognition scanned version on the LSD doc disk.

25 years later I bought the real thing.

Re:Learning BASIC Like It's 1983 by richrichardsson on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:50AM (#17907327)
The hardware reference manual was published by Addison-Wesley. Gave me a little nostalgia ping when I noticed the Stroustrup C++ book I bought recently was also published by them.