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Re:Japan starts space elevator experiments by twic on Sunday September 02, 2018 @04:23PM (#17898456)
Or you just build the cable out beyond geosynchronous orbit. The further out your counterweight mass is, the more force it exerts, so, AIUI, the most mass-efficient way to do it is an extension of the cable.
Re:Japan starts space elevator experiments by jandrese on Sunday September 02, 2018 @06:27PM (#17899028)
The problem is how you keep the tether from dragging behind the orbit when you do that. Space elevators require a fairly delicate balancing act to keep the mass directly over the base of the elevator, otherwise they turn into giant slings.
Re:Japan starts space elevator experiments by theothermkn on Sunday September 02, 2018 @06:37PM (#17899072)
The center of mass of the cable-counterweight system orbits at geosynchronous height. Also, the gradient of gravity will Stabilize the attitude in the desired orientation.

None of this should be construed as an endorsement of space elevators, though. They will never happen on Earth as it exists now. Over and above the material science, you have to clean out LEO of all satellites before you even start construction. It’s just a really dumb idea all around.

Re:Japan starts space elevator experiments by twic on Monday September 03, 2018 @11:42AM (#17903153)
Could i interest you in a sling-on-a-ring architecture?

https://arxiv.org/abs/1505.07424

You build an orbital ring above the altitude of the LEO satellites, use non-synchronous skyhooks to pick up payloads from inside the atmosphere at an altitude that can be efficiently served by aeroplanes, and then fling them the rest of the way to geosynchronous or interplanetary transfer orbits by accelerating them along the ring.

Re:Japan starts space elevator experiments by maxxxxx on Sunday September 02, 2018 @08:18PM (#17899401)
I thought the base station would be a ship that can be moved to avoid collisions with satellites.
Re:Japan starts space elevator experiments by Bahamut on Sunday September 02, 2018 @07:01PM (#17899162)
The satellite issue is why I don't think a space elevator as currently conceived will ever make it.
Re:Japan starts space elevator experiments by Aeolun on Sunday September 02, 2018 @11:48PM (#17900175)
If you have a cable capable of holding a space station and counterweight, no satellite is going to stop it.
Re:Japan starts space elevator experiments by theothermkn on Monday September 03, 2018 @01:15PM (#17903729)
> If you have a cable capable of holding a space station and counterweight, no satellite is going to stop it.

A satellite impacting the tether will definitely "stop" it, in that it will, at the very least, melt an impact crater into it if the cable is wide enough to not be cut. It is unlikely that the cable will be that wide. I feel like a broken record, lately, but the dominant concerns of impact modeling at orbital velocities are (a) mass and (b) energy. Everything traveling at 8 km/s effectively splashes into whatever solid object it hits, both because the room temperature shear resistance of the materials involved is orders of magnitude less than the shears involved, and also because the kinetic energy is dumped into thermal energy, melting or vaporizing the materials involved. One tends to get results like: (https://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2009/02/Hyperveloci...) That link notes that pressures of 365 GPa are reached, and typical yield stresses of theoretical nanotube cables are around 100 GPa.

A carbon nanotube cable is unlikely to be more than an inch or two across at LEO. You need that kind of strength to beat the space-elevator-equivalent of the rocket equation, which governs the taper needed to get the cable to even support its own mass in Earth's gravitational field.

Re:Japan starts space elevator experiments by Aeolun on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @08:40AM (#17917350)
Fair point. I stand corrected (or at least, until I spend more time thinking about this myself, I’m much inclined to believe you have a much better idea than me).
Re:Japan starts space elevator experiments by dcooper8 on Monday September 03, 2018 @12:10AM (#17900250)
further -> farther