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Re:San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber... by jsemrau on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:06PM (#17882604)
You are absolutely right. Dockless mobility uses public space for the benefit of a private corporation. I cycle to work and there is not a single day where I see an OfO bike or Grab bike parked in the most annoying places. Maybe "society" is not ready for dockless and we need to create norms and rules of behavior (i.e., enforce that with fines)
Re:San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber... by s0rce on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:23PM (#17882686)
While I agree that this is an issues, in my opinion it is exceedingly minor, especially in comparison to the amount of cars illegally stopped or parked that I see while biking. In fact I had to merge into traffic a few times to go around tonight. A few bikes haphazardly placed is nothing more than a mild nuisance. Never mind the homeless camps and other litter everywhere in the bay area.
Re:San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber... by mavhc on Friday August 31, 2018 @03:52AM (#17883739)
Cars, parked badly, you're on the right track..... homeless people = litter?, oh dear.
Re:San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber... by s0rce on Friday August 31, 2018 @01:43PM (#17887483)
Homeless people are obviously not litter, and think its a bit of an unfair exaggeration to read my comment in that way, however, I do see how you could infer that. Regardless, in my experience the camps have tons of trash/litter around. It seems not that surprising as my house would have lots of trash if I didn't have garbage collection service. Just drive to some of the camps in Oakland/Berkeley.
Re:San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber... by almost_usual on Friday August 31, 2018 @01:20AM (#17883141)
Wonder how many of those illegally stopped cars are Ubers and Lyfts...
Re:San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber... by s0rce on Friday August 31, 2018 @01:49PM (#17887528)
Some, I've posted about this before but in many areas of Oakland parking is so inexpensive/free that cars are parked basically indefinitely. If you then want to just run into the bank or pick up take out (and you are driving) your options are drive around for a long time to find a spot, stop in the bike lane or just leave your car in the middle of the road. As someone who drives and cycles routinely I understand the choice. In Berkeley parking is time limited and expensive and you can usual find a spot to run in quickly.

I don't mind ubers quickly stopping to drop someone off on a non-separated bike lane as long as they don't cut people off and signal and merge safely. I'm happy to wait behind them or merge around just like a car would had they stopped in the main traffic lane. We can share the infrastructure, just don't leave your car in the bike lane!

Re:San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber... by stale2002 on Friday August 31, 2018 @01:53AM (#17883259)
Well guess what, every time you personally park your bike outside, or even bike on the road, you are using public space for your own private benefit.

Why's that ok? You are a private individual. You are using public space for private benefit, instead of , I don't know, letting the needy homeless use it.

Re:San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber... by rorykoehler on Friday August 31, 2018 @04:55AM (#17884004)
If the state have a problem with that maybe they should roll their own dockless solutions as part of their public transport strategy. Seriously, first they design cities so that 90% must drive to get anywhere and then they ban companies who bring solutions. Regressive and unacceptable.