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Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by gnu8 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:49AM (#17877185)
The F-35 project is (so far) the ultimate expression of our permanent war economy which has propped up the United States since the end of world war 2. As such it is no less misguided than QE since the object of this type of military spending is to consume excess production.

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in a final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.”

Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by ryanackley on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:03AM (#17877315)
This is exactly what I think of when I hear senators and congressman talk about cutting so-called entitlements.

The narrative needs to be switched around to highlight defense spending as "entitlements" to defense contractors and numerous local economies that depend on them.

Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by gazsp on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:52AM (#17877210)
Who's the quote from?
Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by Someone1234 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:57AM (#17877261)
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by twunde on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:31AM (#17877524)
I believe it's from Eisenhower's "Chance for Peace" speech, one of his two major speeches against military spending. The other major speech was his farewell address, where he discussed the military industrial complex. If anyone's interested, I'd highly suggest watching Why We Fight, a documentary from 2005
Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by notfromhere on Thursday August 30, 2018 @04:59PM (#17880706)
Military spending is such a negligible percentage of GDP that calling the US a 'war economy' is nonsensical.
Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by outside1234 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:49AM (#17877663)
You forgot about Russia and China in the statement above.

You can't make an absolute statement that every gun comes at the expense of the poor, because if we hadn't had guns, I can assure you we all (including the poor) would have been worse off under a Nazi or Russian Communist regime.

Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by astrodust on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:31PM (#17878047)
In every major historical engagement the US has fought it went in woefully under-equipped, under-manned, and out-gunned. It prevailed because it can tool up quickly and out-produce.

You can't tell me that if the entire US fleet was sunk, every tank blown up, that the US couldn't rebuild in a year or two if the public was all-in on support.

Instead the US has this enormous force that, by virtue of merely existing, it feels compelled to use now and then.

Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by octopoc on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:45PM (#17878175)
> In every major historical engagement the US has fought it went in woefully under-equipped, under-manned, and out-gunned. It prevailed because it can tool up quickly and out-produce.

It doesn't seem wise to rely on that always being true. The U.S. has not been involved in wars for very long (considering the history of war) and war has changed so much recently that assuming things won't change in the future seems like a bad plan.

Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by mdpopescu on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:59PM (#17878326)
Er what? The US has been at war for 222 years -- https://freakonometrics.hypotheses.org/50473
Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by digi_owl on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:34PM (#17879410)
Since WW2, the "wars" have been mismatched to the extreme (never mind that in both world wars USA came in late, and never had its industrial capacity threatened).

The closest to a symmetrical war was in Korea, after China sent troops. And that war has never really been resolved.

Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by digi_owl on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:30PM (#17879359)
Also went in late in both wold wars, when the other side was basically exhausted.

Never mind never having had to operate the industry under 24/7 bombardment.

Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by astrodust on Thursday August 30, 2018 @05:17PM (#17880849)
The US is just too fucking big to be subject to 24/7 bombardment.

The US military, which is ridiculous, couldn't even keep a lid on Iraq and it's not even as big as Texas. There's no adversary that could possibly mount a bombing campaign that big, not even the US itself.

Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by empthought on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:32PM (#17878053)
Conquering North America was not a goal of Nazi Germany nor of the Soviet Union.
Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by stcredzero on Thursday August 30, 2018 @01:41PM (#17878836)
Eventually conquering North America was a long term goal of Adolph Hitler, which is a part of the reason why Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union. (Though the overwhelming short term need had to do with gaining the oil resources of the Soviet Union. A big part of the reason why the P-51 Mustang could outperform the German fighters was the availability of better fuel to the allies.)

The Soviet Union's ideology originally included the long term goal of promulgating the dictatorship of the proletariat worldwide. However, even Lenin's ideology changed a lot when faced with the actual challenges of ruling a country.

Re:F-35 Program Cutting Corners to “Complete” Development by iancmceachern on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:22AM (#17877454)
This.