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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by mathattack on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:31AM (#17876517)
They could have easily use their weight, reach and influence to envision and build an entire tech city community. It's not that hard.

It’s actually very hard. Most available land has already been built up. Cities are very strict about zoning and not allowing additional development. Tech companies can’t just steamroll the local governments. It’s very much a poor governance situation.

I agree with your conclusion, I just don’t believe Big Tech can fix it so easily.

Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by rednerrus on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:48AM (#17876654)
Local governments are typically very easy to influence. Especially when you are the largest tax provider.
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by mathattack on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:54AM (#17876702)
Mountain View required Facebook to give up the free meals benefit to lease a building. Google jumped through tons of hoops to develop housing in Mountain View.

Palo Alto has blocked new housing for the last decade. They enforce strict zoning that has curtailed commercial development too.

Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by tzs on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:30AM (#17877509)
> Mountain View required Facebook to give up the free meals benefit to lease a building

Not quite. The rule is that for offices in the Village at San Antonio Center project meals within an office cannot be subsidized more than 50% on a regular basis. Meals that are in restaurants that are open to the public can be subsidized as often and as much as the office wants to.

That development includes several restaurants. I expect Facebook will make arrangements to use them to provide Facebook's free meal benefit at that development.

Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by mathattack on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:31PM (#17878041)
The point is that local governments are making companies jump through hoops to get space.
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by redmanticore on Friday August 31, 2018 @06:15PM (#17888922)
not true either, it is the opposite, in fact. see more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bl19RoR7lc
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by dionidium on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:00AM (#17876755)
Well, sure. If you're going to bluff the car salesman, you have to be willing to walk out of the dealership (otherwise it really is just a bluff).
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by nostrademons on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:02PM (#17877773)
...and then you haven't actually influenced the local government, you've just found a new one.
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by dionidium on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:44PM (#17878174)
One would hope that a local government that lost its town Facebook or Google would be influenced by that loss, but maybe things are actually so bad that they wouldn't be.
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by nradov on Thursday August 30, 2018 @01:49PM (#17878918)
Many of the people who are long time residents and home owners in Mountain View wouldn't shed a tear if Google packed up and left. The general local attitude toward those large tech companies is ambivalent at best.
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by dionidium on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:43PM (#17879516)
Yes, I know. They aren't going to change that position voluntarily. I strongly suspect that state intervention is inevitable.
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by jgust on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:01AM (#17876763)
If Big Tech wanted to fix it, they could. They have the capital to purchase new governance in California & the Bay to effectively change the laws to foster growth.
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by noelsusman on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:55AM (#17877236)
Despite popular opinion, you can't actually just throw money at politicians and get them to do whatever you want. Politicians need money because it helps them get votes, but allowing dense housing in neighborhoods full of single family homes is a great way to lose votes. No amount of money will make up for that at the polls.
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by tomatotomato37 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:41AM (#17877117)
>They have the capital to purchase new governance in California & the Bay to effectively change the laws to foster growth

That's not exactly a good thing. One day it's sponsoring cheap apartments, the next it's dissolving labor laws.

Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by dahdum on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:29AM (#17877002)
The zeitgeist of local politics has been moving against them. With attacks on commuter buses, rallies, and blame for the housing crises assigned to them.
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by mathattack on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:29PM (#17878021)
Buying politicians isn’t leadership.

Leadership is saying “I’m willing to lose some of my home price appreciation in the short term to keep the ecosystem thriving”

Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by dangjc on Thursday August 30, 2018 @03:56PM (#17880171)
Unfortunately, only residents get to vote, not people who are just working there during the day. And these areas are so expensive, most of their workers commute from outside.
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by seehafer on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:02PM (#17881889)
California has an initiative system. If Big Tech wanted to get more housing built, it could do so, and it wouldn't require any changes in elected officials.
Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by briffle on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:18AM (#17877416)
Our next campus needs to handle buildings up to 8 stories high, plus apartment buildings the same height for all our jobs were bringing.. I guess we can't come to your town.

Repeat that 2 or 3 times, and the problem goes away quickly..

Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by onemoresoop on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:53AM (#17877223)
How about to diversify geographically??