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Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by trukterious on Saturday August 25, 2018 @10:35AM (#17840926)
Popper sounds like a dude. We shouldn't confuse this apparent irascibility with dogmatism. He was passionate about his ideas: he published them and read criticism of them. He changed his mind about the testability of evolution, and other things.

Intellectual humility is not the same quality as personal meekness and geniuses have always had difficult personalities. Philosophers doubly so. How could it be otherwise? How can one create new stuff if one is too agreeable and too susceptible to groupthink?

Btw, the reason falsifiability doesn't have to be falsifiable (by experiment) is that it isn't a scientific idea; it's a philosophical one. It is potentially 'falsifiable' by criticism, however.

The best modern Popper proponent is David Deutsch. See his books The Fabric of Reality and The Beginning of Infinity. They're both packed with interesting ideas and arguments. He says that Popper did indeed solve the problem of induction. And here's a recent paper of his on the logic of experimental testing: https://arxiv.org/abs/1508.02048

Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by amelius on Saturday August 25, 2018 @01:22PM (#17841640)
Relevant quote:

> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

-- George Bernard Shaw

Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by raverbashing on Saturday August 25, 2018 @11:26AM (#17841165)
> it's a philosophical one. It is potentially 'falsifiable' by criticism, however

Agreed. I think the main issue is not with the idea itself of the scientific method, rather than the practical implications and its limitations.

- The main idea is a qualitative one. It doesn't consider all the statistical can of worms about reproducibility.

- Real world experiments rarely reproduce perfectly/exactly. The more the experiment involves more variables (or unknown variables) you can detect an effect but its magnitude might vary.

- Not everything can be reproduced, not everything can be measured perfectly, hence the "study of knowledge" needs to be able to handle those cases, and not just bury their head in the sand and go "la la la this is not scientific let's ignore it"

Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by jhbadger on Saturday August 25, 2018 @10:36PM (#17843900)
What would be a case of actual knowledge that isn't scientific and not amenable to falsification though? Even humanities like history use evidence and make conclusions that can be falsified in the light of new information.
Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by raverbashing on Sunday August 26, 2018 @04:13AM (#17844871)
Anything that is limited in observability. Either because the available sample size is too small, the time or ability to observe something is limited.

A bit of a stretch, but I'm also skeptical of the ability of the scientific method to be able to understand/prove anything with (hidden) state/memory.

For a lot of 'skeptics' unproven means wrong and unmeasurable means wrong.

Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by akvadrako on Saturday August 25, 2018 @05:06PM (#17842570)
Are you really talking about Popper's ideas or just a simplified popular understanding of 'falsifiable'?

Popper never said ideas needed to be based on reproducible evidence. He also emphasised explanations over just predictability.

Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by nonbel on Saturday August 25, 2018 @02:09PM (#17841812)
Scientists were reproducing each others work before statistics was a thing. Whatever "statistical can of worms" there is regarding it sounds like a problem with the statistics being used rather than science.
Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by raverbashing on Saturday August 25, 2018 @02:42PM (#17841950)
> Scientists were reproducing each others work before statistics was a thing

They were also doing that before Popper was a thing.

> Whatever "statistical can of worms" there is regarding it sounds like a problem with the statistics being used rather than science.

Not really. It's easier to prove "Drug X cures dying from disease Y 99% of the time" than "Drug X solves issue Y 30% of the time only in individuals with a certain combination of characteristics".

Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by nonbel on Saturday August 25, 2018 @03:06PM (#17842052)
> Scientists were reproducing each others work before statistics was a thing

They were also doing that before Popper was a thing.

Yes, but not sure why you are pointing that out.

> Whatever "statistical can of worms" there is regarding it sounds like a problem with the statistics being used rather than science.

Not really. It's easier to prove "Drug X cures dying from disease Y 99% of the time" than "Drug X solves issue Y 30% of the time only in individuals with a certain combination of characteristics".

If you had a complete understanding you would only apply the drug when it would work and have 100% success rate.

Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by raverbashing on Saturday August 25, 2018 @04:19PM (#17842393)
> If you had a complete understanding you would only apply the drug when it would work and have 100% success rate.

There is no way to have 100% understanding of a specific person to have a designer drug for every condition.

Not even Aspirin is 100% effective nor we have a complete understanding of how it works (though there were some discoveries on that regard around 20yrs ago, I think)

It's hard for physics and it's impossible for biology (and other fields) to come up with completely accurate predictions.

Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by nonbel on Saturday August 25, 2018 @04:23PM (#17842408)
Designing reproducible experiments and making accurate predictions are both important, but they are totally different things. Somehow you've combined them into one concept.
Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by wuzamarine on Thursday August 30, 2018 @03:46AM (#17874769)
Falsifiability violates the Law of Non Contradiction, and Math is the ruling queen of Science.
Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by kashyapc on Saturday August 25, 2018 @02:13PM (#17841823)
Speaking of David Deutsch, the fine man needs more visibility. To get a taste of his thoughts, might want to listen to the podcast[1], Surviving the Cosmos, between Deutsch and Sam Harris. (They did a second podcast together as well, but I somehow have a stronger memory of the first one.)

[1] https://samharris.org/podcasts/surviving-the-cosmos/

Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by jazzkingrt on Saturday August 25, 2018 @09:41PM (#17843726)
This is amazing thank you.
Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by keithpeter on Saturday August 25, 2018 @12:05PM (#17841330)
Possibly of interest. Miller was teaching at Warwick university some decades ago.

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1983/04/28/the-karl-popper-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miller_(philosopher)

Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by rexpop on Saturday August 25, 2018 @02:32PM (#17841906)
> geniuses have always had difficult personalities

Not sure that's true.

Re:The Paradox of Karl Popper by trukterious on Saturday August 25, 2018 @03:52PM (#17842288)
There were exceptions. For instance, David Hume is reputed to have been an affable fellow.

But we nearly all of us underestimate how much creativity and energy is expended in trying to be normal (or to appear normal, which is much the same thing).