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Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by ken on Friday August 24, 2018 @06:57PM (#17838429)
> It’s just an illness. I mean, it’s right there in the name “Mental ILLNESS” so it shouldn’t have been the revelation that it was

I think this is actually a big part of the problem. In most other contexts we encounter, stuffing an adjective in there means "NOT". Soy milk? Not real milk. Computer science? Don't see anyone using the scientific method.

I'm absolutely certain that mental illness is real, and deserves real study and real treatment, but even so, whenever I hear "mental illness" I can't help but hear a twang of "... (not real illness)". The phrase "physical illness" is relatively rare because we normally just call it "illness".

Is there a better word for mental illness, which stands on its own? Names matter, and I don't think this one is doing us any favors.

Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by mindgam3 on Friday August 24, 2018 @11:23PM (#17839340)
After wrestling with this linguistic problem for quite some time, the best term I’ve come up with this far is “mental injury”. I strongly prefer it to “illness” because illness connotes a disease of the flesh, and there is no proof that any of the things we typically call mental illness (with a few notable exceptions like alzheimer’s and possibly seizures) are actually based in the body.

In contrast, most of the common “mental illnesses” can be linked to specific forms of psychological trauma or injury. For example, depression and anxiety being caused by emotional abuse. Or PTSD resulting from a traumatic event.

The other term that comes to mind is “fracture” or “break”. Like, I fractured my femur when I was in college. I got surgery, the femur healed. My femur didn’t get an “illness” and I certainly don’t feel any stigma or shame around the experience, other than regretting skiing way too fast.

It would be cool to say the same about the depression I experienced.

“What happened to you?”

“Oh, I fractured my mind after a really bad relationship with an emotionally abusive ex. Yeah, my mind broke pretty good, but thankfully it was a pretty clean break, I got it set right and after a few years of psychoanalysis and some quality entheogens it’s as good as new.”

It’s time to ditch the illness/disease model for mental illness and use terms like injury/fracture/break that both accurately describe the situation and clearly indicate that the situation can be remedied. The idea of chronic and untreatable mental illness is a self fulfilling prophecy and does far more harm than good.

Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by WalterGR on Saturday August 25, 2018 @12:46AM (#17839597)
there is no proof that any of the things we typically call mental illness (with a few notable exceptions like alzheimer’s and possibly seizures) are actually based in the body.

Then where are they based? Literally all we are is a body.

The idea of chronic and untreatable mental illness is a self fulfilling prophecy and does far more harm than good.

Who has this idea? I’ve never heard of depression or anxiety being described as untreatable.

Just like the common cold is an “illness” and nobody claims it’s untreatable.

Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by mindgam3 on Saturday August 25, 2018 @01:06AM (#17839634)
They are symbolic constructs, based in the mind and expressed through the body. Like memes. As opposed to genes, which are also expressed through the body but which are chemical in nature.

Perhaps “garden variety” depression and anxiety aren’t the best examples here, although both of them do have their severe forms and even clinical labels like “treatment resistant depression”. I’m thinking particularly of more severe diagnoses like bipolar or schizophrenia, which are generally assumed in mainstream western psychiatry since at least the 60s to be lifelong illnesses whose symptoms may be treatable with medication but for which there is no known “cure”.

I’m speaking from the perspective of someone who watched his sister receive a bipolar diagnosis after a suicide attempt in late teens, and then watched her develop more severe “bipolar” behaviors as a result of the so-called antipsychotic drugs she was prescribed. Only years later did I realize that her suicide attempt was a direct result of severe chronic parental abuse that she was enduring at the time. Of course the relevant information never made it to the doctors who were forced to come up with a reason for a young girl attempting suicide, hence bipolar. My sister died by suicide last year. I can’t speak for others, but in her case the bipolar label was both a convenient cover-up for severe child abuse and essentially a death sentence for my sister’s soul and ultimately her life. I suspect that the same could be happening in many cases where abnormal or self-harming behavior is in fact a reaction to abuse. It’s just so much easier to tell someone that they have a chemical imbalance in their brain and it’s nobody’s fault, rather than confront a child abuse situation.

Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by ken on Friday August 24, 2018 @11:39PM (#17839381)
That's interesting. The Wiktionary definition of "illness" says "an instance of a disease", and their definition of "disease" specifically says "distinct from injury insofar as the latter is usually instantaneously acquired".

If one gets PTSD from a traumatic event, then, is that by definition not mental illness? Wouldn't that literally be a "mental injury"?

Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by mindgam3 on Saturday August 25, 2018 @12:53AM (#17839609)
Unless I’m missing something obvious - always a possibility - I believe we’re in complete agreement on PTSD being a great example of a “mental injury”. You may want to re-read my original comment.
Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by maccam912 on Friday August 24, 2018 @09:57PM (#17839124)
I see people already picking apart what you said, but I see where you're coming from. If course lung cancer is not fake cancer, because it's treated at the same places as other types of cancer. We have hospitals for physical illness though, and you usually see mental illness treated at a separate place. The mental health therapists in my town work out of unremarkable buildings behind some restaurants, while the major hospital has a block to itself with flashy signs identifying what it is. I think that is that leads me to see the "illness" in "mental illness" with a different connotation.
Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by gascan on Friday August 24, 2018 @07:06PM (#17838471)
Kind of like how "heart disease" means, not actually a disease? Or "lung cancer" means, not really cancer?
Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by dragonwriter on Friday August 24, 2018 @07:08PM (#17838482)
> In most other contexts we encounter, stuffing an adjective in there means "NOT".

No, in most contexts in English, modifying a noun with an adjective doesn't invert the meaning of the noun.

A “respiratory infection” is a real infection.

A “premeditated homicide” is a real homicide.

Or, from your post:

A “big part” is a real part.

A “better word” is a real word.

The “scientific method” is a real method.

“Real study” is real study and “real treatment” is real treatment.

Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by xanthopan on Friday August 24, 2018 @07:31PM (#17838602)
> In most other contexts we encounter, stuffing an adjective in there means "NOT".

I think that's less a comment on grammar and more about how there's a tendency to name stuff that is similar to other stuff, yet markedly different, in oxymoronic ways. For example:

"virtual reality", "business ethics", "educational television", "military intelligence", "magic realism"

Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by mc32 on Friday August 24, 2018 @09:33PM (#17839058)
To me, none of those on their own, without context are oxymoronic. Yes, their meaning is often stretched without that being realized by the speaker, but at the same time they have a useful baseline meaning.
Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by dominotw on Friday August 24, 2018 @09:22PM (#17839033)
> Is there a better word for mental illness, which stands on its own?

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Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by mchahn on Friday August 24, 2018 @09:56PM (#17839120)
As a person who suffers from mania I would argue that everyone "suffers from it" does not apply to mental illness.

Do you have 3 or 4 days in a row where you can't sleep? Do you send emails to everyone at three in the morning that are totally crazy (such as only a maniac would write)? Do you speak at company meetings and have one of your employees write "shut up" on a piece of paper and hold it so that only you can see it?

Your comment is offensive.

Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by dominotw on Friday August 24, 2018 @10:25PM (#17839207)
sorry I agree that such extreme cases shouldn't be called mental illness and grouped with symptoms op is describing.
Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by mchahn on Friday August 24, 2018 @10:54PM (#17839279)
> shouldn't be called mental illness

What should mania be called?

Re:I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxie... by dominotw on Saturday August 25, 2018 @10:17AM (#17840852)
mania?