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Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by swombat on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @03:08AM (#1782586)
HN? :-)

If Reddit is "Spartan but functional", HN is positively Hittite. "We'll impale you on an iron stake and let you die slowly outside the city gates if you don't like it" user friendliness.

Oh well, at least it keeps the barbarians out.

Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by smiler on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @03:34AM (#1782626)
What is horrible about it? It doesn't get in your way and allows you to post quickly. This is the only place I've engaged in online conversation for years and that's because it's just so quick and simple. Compared to forums and commenting on blogs & entering captcha's it's very usable!
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by swombat on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @03:49AM (#1782654)
How often have you mis-clicked on an down arrow instead of an up arrow (or vice versa)?

Have you ever asked someone who's not a regular to upvote something? That's obviously not something that should be done (but I guess we all sin sometimes... call it a wild unruly youth), but if you do, you'll find that most people don't even see the voting arrows, let alone figure out what they mean.

If advanced users still make fairly critical usage errors because of small, opposite buttons right next to each other, and newbies can't learn the fundamentals of the interface, i'd say that makes it fairly bad.

On the other hand, as I said, it keeps the barbarians out.

Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by bendmorris on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @04:39AM (#1782730)
Maybe that improves the results. Your score is not a straight up vote from everyone, it's just a sampling from the subset of HN users that can figure out what the buttons do.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by dejb on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @07:30AM (#1782973)
> it's just a sampling from the subset of HN users that can figure out what the buttons do

Or those who don't experience layout problems. Often there is a significant part of the down arrow that results in an upvote or vice versa. Generally happens in FF for me. I feel like I need to check the URL before clicking.

Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by simonft1 on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @11:21AM (#1783690)
Why do some people have down arrows?
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by grayrest on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @12:49PM (#1783999)
You gain the ability to downvote once you've crossed a certain karma threshold.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by smiler on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @04:53AM (#1782758)
I can use my mouse, I haven't managed to misclick once.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by billswift on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @03:48AM (#1782652)
I like most of the HN interface. The one part I really hate is that when you click the Reply button, most of the context you are replying to, excepting only the direct parent comment, disappears. This is really irritating, and HN is the ONLY site that I visit that does this.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by smiler on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @04:54AM (#1782759)
I would agree on that point. Yes, that is my one annoyance.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by loumf on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @07:50AM (#1783003)
That might be on purpose. The HN commenting interface is meant to discourage back-and-forth arguments.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by billswift on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @01:54PM (#1784243)
The problem is that it makes it hard to summarize a set of arguments; for example, to focus on points of agreement or disagreement. Which I think tends to encourage back-and-forth arguments.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by Zev on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @03:47AM (#1782645)
Have you ever tried using HN on a mobile device?

I've been tempted to hack up yet another iOS app for HN, but A. I don't have the time to do it in what i would call the Right Way(tm) -- or a Hacked-Up Way(tm) either and B. it would really be better off as a separate style than a separate app.

Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by smiler on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @04:53AM (#1782757)
Yes. I have a Nokia E51, it's just a standard T9 phone with wifi / 3g, as I don't need anything fancy. I've loaded HN on it and can skim the articles for anything interesting when I'm out and about. True I wouldn't write a comment, but it works fine for me for what I need.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by AdamGibbins on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @03:16PM (#1784525)
I often browse HN on my android phone (as I am now) with no problems. Page automatically resizes to fit the screen, works nicely.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by J3L2404 on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @05:19AM (#1782789)
I use http://ihackernews.com for mobile and it is very readable. The same developer wrote ViewText, which is a nice readability bookmarklet.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by jarin on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @04:28AM (#1782716)
Take a look at your settings page sometime. Would you have any idea what notifo, showdead, noprocrast, maxvisit, minaway, and delay meant if you didn't look them up or goof around until you figure out what they do?
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by smiler on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @04:51AM (#1782754)
I haven't really looked at them no - I guess I haven't needed to because it just works?
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by AdamTReineke on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @12:30PM (#1783936)
New HN user here, and I still have no clue. I even looked for mouseover text. :-(
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by araneae on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @11:12AM (#1783658)
Yeah, I learned my lesson from randomly putting high numbers in there :(
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by edanm on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @04:08AM (#1782683)
Absolutely agree: HN's UI is bad.

I'm not talking about ugly or beautiful, I'm talking about very specific usability problems. For example, it's very hard to tell when someone replies to you, which means I would just drop out of conversations if they didn't appear on my "threads" page. (Although there is a solution nowadays, notifo). HN also has problem with the voting, like being unable to change votes, etc.

That said, HN still rocks. Does the incredibly limited UI have anything to do with it? I don't know. But I wouldn't mess around with HN too much: why mess with something that works?

Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by greyboy on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @08:49AM (#1783132)
I would argue that it's hard to tell when someone replies at all.

While I appreciate minimalism I think the comments page is lacking. Let me preface my complaint with the fact that HN is probably the only site I visit frequently, due to the quality of posts and commenters.

My biggest complaint is this: I enjoy reading the comments of submissions, oftentimes more than the submissions themselves. It's really frustrating to read a post with many comments in the morning (lets say, 40), then come back at lunch and browse the same comments when there are more (say, 45 - I often leave interesting posts open in tabs to look at later). Obviously these numbers are arbitrary - think of 10 new comments on a page with 100 or more! Without a clear indication of what is new after a page refresh, I have to re-read every comment and compare post times (or effectively recall reading that comment previously) in order to see what's new. Compounding that is that the post order can change.

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of anything that can be done to fix this. To me, that is a usability defect. Enough for me to stop visiting? No!

Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by _delirium on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @11:25AM (#1783705)
> Unfortunately, I'm not aware of anything that can be done to fix this.

For logged-in users, Scoop (Kuro5hin's software) keeps track of when you last visited a comments thread, and displays a [new] next to all comments posted since that timestamp.

Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by arethuza on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @04:42AM (#1782737)
No - I think it is minimalistic, not bad. At one level the need to check your comments to see who has replied to you seems bad - but the resulting behavior patterns it results in seems quite productive to me.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by djacobs on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @07:52AM (#1783006)
Really the only thing I don't like about HN's UI is how the comment lines aren't formatted to a readable width -- they run about twice as wide as a standard book line and maybe 4/3 as long as a normal online article.

What's more, comments are really difficult to read on a mobile phone, which is surprising, given that they are basically just plain text which should have the virtue of being easily reworkable.

That said, HN rocks, so I can't complain too much.

Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by cousin_it on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @08:22AM (#1783070)
HN feels quite usable to me. The only problem is the few remaining links based on closures (x?fnid=...), because they expire and it's just dumb. I may be mistaken, but I think closure-based links have been slowly phased out over the lifetime of HN, and now they seem to be used only for "more" and "logout". Why not throw them away completely?

About possible enhancements: ajaxifying the "reply" link, as billswift suggested, would help. Ajaxifying the "edit" and "delete" links would definitely help. LW does both and it's much more convenient. Making the vote buttons light up on hover would make the interface feel more consistent, because links already react to hover.

One thing HN does very right (compared to Reddit and LW) is that users' "comments" pages are threaded, not flat.

Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by cubicle67 on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @03:48AM (#1782647)
you have no idea how glad I am that HN doesn't look like StackOverflow or Digg
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by swombat on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @03:50AM (#1782655)
Oh, I do. As I said, it keeps the barbarians out of the city gates.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by KishoreKumar on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @06:02AM (#1782845)
I'm new to Hacker News, I've been searching but couldn't find the "save story" or "favourite" button
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by xentronium on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @06:14AM (#1782860)
Stories you upvote are saved in your profile.
Re:Ask HN: What are the websites that you rely on but have h... by Dramatize on Tuesday October 12, 2010 @06:12AM (#1782856)
I love the way HN looks and feels.