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Re:How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites by shruubi on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:00AM (#17824729)
Honestly, it doesn't shock me in the slightest that someone who markets themselves as an SEO expert would not only do something as unethical as this, but also brag about it, as though they think they've done something they should be proud of.
Re:How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites by cm2012 on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:10AM (#17824762)
Is this that different than publicizing bugs? He tested it for a small amount of time, noticed a real security vulnerability (he could collect leads), and publicized his findings knowing Google would likely punish him for it.

It's mildly unethical at worse, considering he could have happily done profitable leadgen at scale and it would have likely never been caught if he kept quiet.

Re:How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites by dejanseo on Thursday August 23, 2018 @03:07AM (#17825184)
That's exactly right. Google has already punished me once for exposing a flaw (which they still haven't fixed): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4748094
Re:How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites by londons_explore on Thursday August 23, 2018 @02:44AM (#17825103)
Except he would have been caught by a few of his users.

If I notice a scummy page impersonating Google, I'm gonna alert Google so they can do something about it. (For example add the page to the safebrowsing list)

Re:How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites by cm2012 on Thursday August 23, 2018 @12:07PM (#17828405)
Google very very rarely does anything with individual complaints sent in with their automated systems. You'd have to get a post to the top of HN.
Re:How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites by TheForumTroll on Thursday August 23, 2018 @04:07AM (#17825456)
"Years"

"Small amount of time"

?!?

Re:How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites by cyrusshepard on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:09AM (#17824758)
FWIW, Dan (the author) has an outstanding reputation for professionalism and integrity in the marketing world. If he says he did something for ethical reasons, to those who know him, he's earned the benefit to be believed. (If you don't know him, you'd be forgiven for being suspicious)

And credit should be given to him for educating everyone on this exploit.

Re:How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites by tomgp on Thursday August 23, 2018 @05:31AM (#17825832)
It'd be very easy to make a proof of concept of this exploit which didn't breach copyright or record peoples personal information and then to publicise the problem immediately, instead he chose to operate on real sites, collect real personal data and then forget about it for 5 years. It's this general lax attitude that gives everyone working in the SEO sector -- and by extensions the tech sector as a whole a bad reputation. The whole experiment doesn't feel like it was conducted in good faith or with any consideration for the ethics beyond 'hey this is cool'. Grow up!
Re:How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites by dejanseo on Thursday August 23, 2018 @03:04AM (#17825177)
Thank you Cyrus. I thought it would be obvious that this isn't a practical tactic a reputable brand could risk doing.
Re:How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites by jimbauwens on Thursday August 23, 2018 @04:50AM (#17825640)
While it is clear that you did not have any bad intentions, you should never have published it on the web. Based on your earlier comment "It worked a little too well" it becomes clear that multiple users were tricked by your site and that you possibly even intercepted submitted forms ("I gasped when I realised I can actually capture all form submissions and send them to my own email.").

You misled people and breached their privacy. This is as simple as it gets, even if it was for an experiment (though leaving the site online in some other form still raises a lot of question marks..).

My advice for you is to perform future experiments locally, not on the web and make sure people participating in your experiment are aware.

Re:How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites by iscoelho on Thursday August 23, 2018 @08:49AM (#17826776)
The point of the experiment was the social engineering aspect. The fact that it would work technologically was obvious. The fact that it would work practically was what he set out to prove.