Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’

Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by dkonofalski on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @05:59PM (#17822604)

You're completely ignoring the hit to both the brand and experience that something like that would cause. There's a big reason why iOS users tend to spend more money on the platform than Android users do on the Google platform and a huge part of that is the trust built by Apple with their users.

You can go into the Google Play store (which most people would think was the "official" and "safe" method of getting apps) and still get malware and/or a virus on your Android phone. Now imagine that Google offered both an official Play store and an alternative open Play store. Which do you think the majority of users would use and have a positive opinion of?

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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by cgriswald on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @06:28PM (#17822810)

You seem to be suggesting the only alternative to the App Store is a janky Apple-run Open App Store. All Apple has to do to offer an alternative is let people install Apps on their phones outside the App Store just like they can do on their Macs. People will still trust the App Store, but maybe a competitor comes along and maybe Netflix/Amazon etc use them or maybe they don’t.

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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by dkonofalski on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @06:48PM (#17822941)

I didn't suggest that at all. I suggested that it was a possible alternative simply because that's the only way something like that would be considered "official" still while allowing for any apps to be published.

There's no reason for Apple to offer that on their phones since it dilutes the customer experience. Anyone that would care about doing that can still do that via XCode by side-loading the apps.

Case in point - where's the competitor for the Mac App Store on macOS? There's not. Users have to do all the legwork themselves. That's literally no different than side-loading your own apps.

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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by throwaway917100 on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @08:57PM (#17823653)

Wait What. Steam is a "competitor" to Mac App Store. Homebrew is a sort of competitor to app store. Heck any website which has more that 1 Mac OS "app" is a sort of an "app store ".

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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by kyle-rb on Thursday August 23, 2018 @07:48PM (#17831584)

>Case in point - where's the competitor for the Mac App Store on macOS? There's not. Users have to do all the legwork themselves.

Yeah, double-clicking that DMG and dragging the .app 30 pixels to the Applications shortcut is a lot of work.

>That's literally no different than side-loading your own apps.

Yup, clicking and dragging is the same as configuring a different machine to properly build and provision.

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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by dkonofalski on Monday August 27, 2018 @05:02PM (#17854524)

Stop being obtuse. People have to find the software they want first and then download the DMG from somewhere which usually involves ignoring a billion fake "DOWNLOAD NOW" buttons. The App Store is a trusted platform with literally one click find an app and one click to install.

You're being purposely disingenuous.

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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by kyle-rb on Monday September 03, 2018 @09:18PM (#17905928)

What? First of all my main argument was that installing outside the App Store is much easier on MacOS than it is on iOS.

Second: many, many sites host their own DMG downloads, with zero fake download buttons. I don't think searching for an app's website on Google is significantly harder than searching for an app in the App Store (also I'm not sure typing in search terms is "one click", but whatever). I'll admit that using the App Store is slightly less work to install stuff, and somewhat more secure.

But from a user standpoint (I use a Mac with one or two App Store apps and dozens of DMG-installer-based apps) it's not a huge difference. And from a developer standpoint, that's not worth 30% of my revenue.

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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by jsjohnst on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @08:41PM (#17823573)

> All Apple has to do to offer an alternative is let people install Apps on their phones outside the App Store

This exists now and is free. I’m not saying it’s a good user experience (especially the one week limitation), but it’s definitely possible and legit / legal / free.

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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by jjeaff on Thursday August 23, 2018 @12:44AM (#17824646)

Sideloading on iOS is a bad enough user experience to be effectively useless.

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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by jsjohnst on Thursday August 23, 2018 @08:44AM (#17826741)

Depends on the use case. For the intended purpose it’s not useless, but far from great either.

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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by paulddraper on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @10:03PM (#17823951)

> not saying it’s a good user experience

Why do you think that is?

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Re:Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’ by jsjohnst on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:38PM (#17824371)

I apologize, but I don’t understand your question. Can you clarify?

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