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Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by windows_tips on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @10:11AM (#17818776)
Why is this scientific publication using such magical language?
Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by dang on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @06:48PM (#17822938)
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News?
Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by windows_tips on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @08:29PM (#17823514)
I don't get why you think comments that generate conversation are "unsubstantive".
Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by dang on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @09:20PM (#17823764)
On HN the idea is to value quality above quantity.
Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by bdcravens on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @10:23AM (#17818854)
What magical language are you opposed to? The term "ritual" is pretty well defined: "Rituals are series of steps we take while attaching some kind of symbolic meaning."

In the article, they link to multiple papers they've written on the topic of rituals, as well as quantify their results in the experiment they performed:

"About 58% of the participants in our ritual condition chose the carrot over the chocolate, as compared to only about 35% of those in the control condition and 46% of those in the random-gestures condition."

As the article is in the magazine's "Behavior & Society" section the science in the article seems cogent.

Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by windows_tips on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:46AM (#17819511)
I never said I was opposed. Both "ritual" and "vexing" are magical language.
Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by gms7777 on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @12:10PM (#17819736)
'Ritual' can be used in religious or magical contexts, but is not inherently magical and is routinely used in other contexts. I don't actually know of any magical connotations for 'vexing', except that it sounds somewhat like 'hexing'.
Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by windows_tips on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @01:21PM (#17820261)
It's routinely used in some magical contexts. Vexing things are mysterious, which is often an object of magical displays.
Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by ksenzee on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:49AM (#17819541)
Sorry, in what way are "ritual" and "vexing" magical language? They are both English words in relatively wide use.
Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by windows_tips on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:55AM (#17819585)
In what way are they not? Magical language can be in very wide use. I think one of the top grossing authors has written an entire series about magic.
Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by bdcravens on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @12:05PM (#17819691)
From the article: "Many of our most vexing problems, from overeating to not saving enough for retirement to not working out enough have something in common: lack of self-control."

The definition of the word: "make (someone) feel annoyed, frustrated, or worried, especially with trivial matters"

Still not seeing the magical connotation; seems pretty well grounded in human behavior, which is topical for Scientific American.

Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by ghostbrainalpha on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @02:18PM (#17820688)
"I think one of the top grossing authors has written an entire series about magic."

Wait.... what? Are you talking about Harry Potter?

It's hard to tell if you started as serious but are now becoming a parody troll account.

Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by svat on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @02:26PM (#17820753)
"vexing" is defined as "annoying, worrying, or causing problems" [1]. I have encountered the word hundreds of times, but until your comment I wasn't aware that it was used in a magical context too.

If you look up a linguistics corpus like the Corpus of Contemporary American English [2] or the British National Corpus [3] -- visit those sites, search for "vexing", and click on "VEXING" again -- you'll see a representative set of usages of the word "in the wild", and none of them appear to have anything to do with magic. There's also something in C++ called the "most vexing parse" [4], which too doesn't seem to have anything to do with magic. (By the way, you may like to try this exercise with "ritual" too, to see how the word is used in practice.)

[1]: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/vexin...

[2]: https://corpus.byu.edu/coca/

[3]: https://corpus.byu.edu/bnc/

[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_vexing_parse

Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by windows_tips on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @03:19PM (#17821205)
If you search the Authorized King James Version of the Bible you will find this[0] passage:

>And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

[0] https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+15%3A22...

It is deep in the literature that vexation is a domain of devils.

Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by phyzome on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @06:05PM (#17822664)
Is "grevious" in the domain of devils, too?

Begone, you.

Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by windows_tips on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @08:34PM (#17823536)
I'm not sure, but from this context, it would seem that possibly, if "vexing" is also in the domain of others as well (seems so).

>Begone, you.

Not very welcoming around here?

Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by phyzome on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @10:47AM (#17819050)
"Ritual" is a word with a variety of connotations. Note that a marriage ceremony is a ritual. That's an everyday use of the word that I don't think you would have objected to or called magical.

Then there's the academic definition, covered elsewhere in this thread.

Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by windows_tips on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @03:13PM (#17821159)
Many people think marriage ceremonies are magical, I think.
Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by danharaj on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:15AM (#17819251)
Brushing your teeth in the morning is a ritual.

Shaking hands with everyone before starting a meeting is a ritual.

Tucking your kid into bed is a ritual.

Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by windows_tips on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:51AM (#17819557)
>Brushing your teeth in the morning is a ritual.

Repeated event, but presumably done for your benefit.

>Shaking hands with everyone before starting a meeting is a ritual.

Not usually done in most corporate meetings I've been to.

>Tucking your kid into bed is a ritual.

I suppose it could be, but I guess I'm not sure what you mean by 'ritual' anymore.

Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by JTxt on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @10:33AM (#17818934)
Rituals can come before scientific knowledge, like cleaning.
Re:Need More Self-Control? Try a Simple Ritual by windows_tips on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @12:00PM (#17819635)
Anything can come before scientific knowledge.