Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by dagw on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @08:16AM
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Unless the sysadmins had a big powerful union (or sabotaged the system on their way out the door) their tasks would just be handed off to other computer literate people in the company who would end up becoming de facto sysadmins.
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Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by 8_hours_ago on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @01:24PM
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"I'm sorry, the IT department can't install mysql on your workstation because only sysadmin union members have root access to your workstation and they all left at 5pm. This doesn't qualify as a level 1 emergency so we can't page the on-call sysadmin. You can open a ticket and they will prioritize it tomorrow"
Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by lithos on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @08:35AM
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I'd love to imagine them taking online help articles down for the duration of the strike. Blogs/whatever overflow/forum posts/similar.
Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by colonelpopcorn on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @09:24AM
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I thought about Stack Overflow going down for a minute, and I got really scared.
Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by antisthenes on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @12:51PM
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That's sort of crossing the line between refusing to work and doing deliberate sabotage.
Especially if the help articles are on an internal network.
Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by eru on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @09:57AM
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That would take a world-wide strike and no strike breakers. Unlikely.
Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by kazagistar on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @10:56AM
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Doesn't need to be worldwide. A single tech company having everyone strike would be enough.
Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by eru on Sunday August 26, 2018 @03:23AM
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They could still hire strikebreakers world wide, or not?
Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by beauzero on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @09:03AM
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I used to think that until I worked at a couple different places as developer/sysadmin which was due to not being"core product". There were several systems that would have ceased functioning within a week and we're never allocated requested funds because "that's what we have you for."
Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by dagw on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @09:08AM
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My point is that there are lots of ex-sysadmins (like me), programmers and DBAs out there that have the base knowledge necessary to relatively quickly retrain as sysadmins if that was to become necessary.
Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by merpnderp on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @10:47AM
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That's why sysadmins don't need a union. You'd have to pay programmers and DBAs a premium to get them to do sysadmin work. There's literally no one to replace sysadmins except sysadmins and more expensive less well trained (in sysadmin work) employees.
Re:Bullshit jobs and the yoke of managerial feudalism
by dagw on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @02:28PM
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That's why sysadmins don't need a union.
I'm confused. All your arguments seem to be for why sysadmins _do_ need a union. If they're irreplaceable (at the current wage level) and underpaid like you seem to claim then it sounds like they're leaving money on the table by not bargaining collectively.