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Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by rayiner on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:17PM (#17813929)
Is anybody really confused about what these plans are offering? Especially someone handling IT for a large government entity? The plans say:

> Important Plan Information

> Unlimited Plans 4G LTE only. During times of congestion, your data may be temporarily slower than other traffic (only after 22GB/mo on Beyond Unlimited or 75 GB/mo on Above Unlimited).

Beyond that, anybody who is purchasing service for something like a fire department would know the difference between best effort service and a service with an SLA. Consumers will always be best served by having over-provisioning and best-effort service, because their needs are by nature bursty. Put another way, if you build a network that never throttles, you're leaving tons of capacity on the table that would be better used to offer faster burst downloads.

That problem is not best-effort service, it's a government entity that doesn't realize it needs a level service with real guarantees.

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by gnicholas on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:08PM (#17814270)
> During times of congestion, your data may be temporarily slower than other traffic

Their complaint is that they were throttled 24/7, not just during congestion.

> But while such throttling is generally applied only during times of network congestion, the Santa Clara Fire Department says it was throttled at all times once the device in question went over a 25GB monthly threshold.

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by DoctorOetker on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:57PM (#17814611)
perhaps we should have provable throttling where if your connection is throttled you can prove this to a third party after the fact, and if a service provider is carrying subscriber data, it can prove so to a third party after the fact too. This way when say the fire department notices it's connection is being throttled, yet it suspects the network is not congested, then it can file a complaint after which it is up to the provider to prove it was indeed congested by data from other subscribers (by showing timestamps of hashes of data, signed by subscribers)

Before we allow ISP's to (ab)use fires, we should insist on provable congestion. If they refuse to self-regulate the internet traffic in the public interest, then the public interest should move to regulate internet traffic just like it regulates car traffic: priority to emergency services first.

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by gsich on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @11:15PM (#17815997)
There is a way for this. LTE has the RSRQ measurement. Example: -3 would equal nearly empty cell, -12 heavy load on the cell.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by voltagex_ on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @12:31AM (#17816317)
I've Googled a bit and I don't understand how this measurement works - it seems like a value that shows how good the received signal is.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by gsich on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @01:48AM (#17816614)
Yeah, descriptions are confusing. Basically the quality lowers because other devices are using the network. I can post a plot later.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by DoctorOetker on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @04:32AM (#17817240)
I was describing a hypothetical system such that congestion levels would be provable as they happen. For all we know our household connections could be artificially throttled during evening hours when the network is supposedly congested, while in fact they are trying to push us on more expensive plans.

In fact I am not against on the spot pricing schemes, as long as the demand and supply is provable.

I would consider such a system neutral enough. I wouldn't mind scheduling some datasets to download when network demand is low etc...

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by voltagex_ on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @07:48AM (#17817991)
I'd definitely like to see this. Apparently you can pull the value from an unrooted Android, too.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by gsich on Friday August 24, 2018 @09:39AM (#17834851)
Here it is, sorry for the delay:

https://i.imgur.com/vXIXSlA.png Here I started a download, the rsrq drops. After finishing, the rsrq rises again. Note that the values are still "jittery" so a single value should not be taken as a clear indicator that a cell is congested.

https://i.imgur.com/opdFV9d.png Here is a graph for the last 7 days. One can see that during nighttime received quality rises, while it lowers during daytime.

Device in use is a Huawei B618, no external antennas.

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by sokoloff on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @06:04AM (#17817579)
It’s not only the cell’s radio bandwidth that might be experiencing congestion. It could be another part of the network.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by gsich on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @06:52PM (#17822972)
Maybe, but I think it is safe to assume that the ISP backbone is not the bottleneck.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by dplgk on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @10:26AM (#17818883)
> temporarily slower than other traffic (only after 22GB/mo

In my experience, this is BS. I live in the sticks and when I hit my limit (which is 15GB in mifi...22GB is for phones), I get 600kpbs or less at all times, not just during "congestion". And I can't imagine how much congestion there is in my rural area. 600kbps is nearly non-usable.

If I sold you unlimited water but after 1 gallon you could only drink one drop per minute that doesn't make me a liar but it does make me an asshole for telling you it was unlimited.

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by rayiner on Thursday August 23, 2018 @04:36AM (#17825576)
> when I hit my limit (which is 15GB in mifi...22GB is for phones), I get 600kpbs or less at all times, not just during "congestion“

The plans clearly say that for Mifi (i.e. hotspots), the limit is 15GB with 600kbps thereafter, not unlimited...