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Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by Animats on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @01:43PM (#17811925)
Why was this flagged?

This has been a big issue in auto manufacturing for decades. At one time, the Detroit automakers ran "dealer preparation centers" to finish what the production line hadn't done. Toyota's big innovation was figuring out how to get it right the first time, which got costs down and quality up. In a Toyota plant, if you have to stop the line for 10 seconds to get it right, a worker can do that. Videos of Toyota plants show a cycle time display and a vehicles per hour display over the line. It's expected that a car will take an extra few seconds every once in a while.

Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by reaperducer on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:03PM (#17812127)
At one time, the Detroit automakers ran "dealer preparation centers" to finish what the production line hadn't done.

Is that the "dealer prep" line that always seems to appear as a non-optional line item in the price of a new car?

Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by rootusrootus on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:11PM (#17812206)
These days dealer prep mostly involves taking off the plastic paint protection film, removing any other hardware that protects the car during shipping (suspension blocks, door bump pads, etc), checking functionality of major components, verifying fluid levels, etc, and finally detailing the car (well, washing and vacuuming at least).

You can actually find the dealer prep checklist for a lot of cars with Google, for example GM has theirs freely published on their public web site.

Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by lostlogin on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:37PM (#17812454)
That’s the dealers dealer prep. The dealer prep the op refers to is an area where they fix all the stuff done wrong in the production line.
Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by rootusrootus on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:36PM (#17813545)
I can't speak for all manufacturers and/or dealers, but it is almost certainly the same people, or at least the same process. During dealer prep they will definitely fix anything broken, or damage to the car that made it past the factory inspector or happened during transit. And they will install certain options that you can buy but are not done at the factory, including installing parts that are prone to being damaged during transport (for example, the spoiler on my GM car is not optional, supplied by the factory, and has to be installed by the dealer body shop after the car arrives).
Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by jonathankoren on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:33PM (#17812396)
No. The "dealer prep" you're referring to is literally taking just taking the plastic wrap off the car.

He's talking about fixing production errors, like panels being stuck on wrong[0], or window gaskets being misinstalled[3].

As a side note, this is the first time I've heard anyone defend the lemons coming out of Detroit in the 70s. It was so bad, that my dad would check the VINs, so that he would never buy a car that was built on a Monday or Friday, because it was too likely that the workers were either drunk or hungover.[1][2][4] And this is when he was in the UAW as mechanic and then a body man.

I thought these production issues might be overblown, so I checked the deck lids on three 3s in the parking lot at work. All three were misaligned. I didn't expect them to be perfect (it's not laser perfect on my 2010 Jetta either), but I didn't expect to fit my finger through the gaps. All three cars. All three in different places. That killed it for me. I will never buy a Tesla 3.

[0] https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/body-panel-gap-and-a...

[1] https://jalopnik.com/the-ten-worst-car-factories-in-history-...

[2] https://jalopnik.com/5645880/auto-workers-drinking-getting-h...

[3] https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/unfinished-metal-and...

[4] https://www.thisamericanlife.org/403/transcript

Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by omgwtfbyobbq on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:53PM (#17813089)
Do you have any pictures of the three 3s? I can see alignment being off a little, but not enough to fit a finger in the gaps.
Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by jonathankoren on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:33PM (#17813510)
I’m sure there’s plenty of pictures online. But no, I didn’t bother to take picture of me putting my hand through strangers’ cars. Why would I think to do this?
Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by omgwtfbyobbq on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:23AM (#17819311)
To provide proof of your claims. After looking at my 3, I'm thinking you either have the hands of a small child, or you're spreading FUD.

I can see panel gaps being an issue for some cars, but I can't see the deck lid being misaligned to the point where you're able to put your hand through any gaps.

Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by jonathankoren on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @02:24PM (#17820738)
My fingers are thin, and it was a little finger.

A photo of my hand can be provided upon request.

Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by lifeformed on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:48PM (#17813056)
How do you convert a VIN to the date of manufacture?
Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by mikestew on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:31PM (#17814018)
https://electrek.co/2017/07/18/tesla-model-3-vin-decoder/

EDIT: whoops, missed the context. The above just tells you the model year. But you were replying to someone that implied it could be done down to the day. It can be done down to the month, but in my experience down to the day is rare, if non-existent (none of my vehicle VINs have that resolution).

Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by jonathankoren on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:38PM (#17814074)
The last few digits are sequential within a model. Combination of this and knowing when the transports arrive might give you an estimate.

I’m telling you what I remember him telling me. How accurate he actually was, I don’t know. But Detroit earned their horrible reputation, and the Japanese manufactures are them alive.

Re:Internal documents reveal the grueling way Tesla hit its ... by colejohnson66 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:26PM (#17813444)
> Why was this flagged?

It seems some people flag anything Tesla / Elon Musk related