According to https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8912714/Apple-i... "An unpatched security flaw in Apple’s iTunes software allowed intelligence agencies and police to hack into users’ computers for more than three years" which sounds serious to me if you're an iTunes user (as I guess many Mac and Windows users are).

But I think the real culprit is that all of the organizations the grandparent poster listed distribute proprietary software which is untrustworthy to begin with. Proprietary malware isn't hard to find (see https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/ for an organized set of links) whether it came with the OS pre-installed on the computer or installed later. So long as it adversely affects the user and leaves the user with no permission to inspect, alter, and share the software (only permission to run the malware) the situation is bad.

I listed other companies which did just as bad things. Why would you trust (for example) Dell more than Lenovo in this case?

The thread is about Apple.

They already have that data..

That we we know about.

Well that response could be used to justify about any conspiracy theory.

How about we stick to the facts we know, which is that all manufacturers but Apple have done these incredibly user hostile things.

With the amount of attention on them, if they did it, it’s bound to come out sooner or later.

Until then, though..