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Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by i_am_nomad on Friday August 17, 2018 @12:31PM (#17784000)
The Western museums preserved Chinese artifacts that otherwise would have been destroyed by the Chinese themselves. That fact does indeed legitimize the status quo. The artifacts must and will remain, excluding those pilfered by the criminals described in the article.
Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by thereare5lights on Saturday August 25, 2018 @03:57AM (#17840035)
> That fact does indeed legitimize the status quo.

That does not logically follow from any point you've made. Preservation of something does not legitimize its theft.

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Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by lainga on Friday August 17, 2018 @01:50PM (#17784549)
What's your argument here?

If there were no Opium Wars, there would have been no Nine-Power Treaties, and thus the Qing would not have fallen, and thus Mao and the CPC would not have eventually gained control over China, and thus the Cultural Revolution and the Four-Olds Campaign would not have happened?

Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by justicezyx on Friday August 17, 2018 @02:22PM (#17784744)
I am not making stories.

I am saying it's not legalized.

Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by i_am_nomad on Friday August 17, 2018 @01:27PM (#17784400)
I'm sorry to say, this type of outburst really has no place in a civilized discussion.
Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by qiqing on Friday August 17, 2018 @04:01PM (#17785291)
I'm just going to leave this right here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing

The commenter was angry, but I understand his anger. I can see how even the slightest hint of it in sharing my personal experiences can trigger negative responses from other people, but it also helps for you and others to be sensitive to the trauma that many others (and our families) have lived through.

Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by Leary on Friday August 17, 2018 @01:09PM (#17784289)
If I rob your house and take your furniture, and then later see you burning a chair on your lawn. Am I absolved of the theft in the first place if I kept your furniture nice and clean in my house?
Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by i_am_nomad on Friday August 17, 2018 @01:14PM (#17784324)
You’re committing the depressingly common fallacy of scaling interpersonal ethics up to intercultural. Let me suggest that you give some thought to how your analogy fails in this regard.
Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by Leary on Friday August 17, 2018 @01:24PM (#17784380)
Note that you do not address the claim that an immoral act (the destruction of Chinese art during the Cultural Revolution) does not absolve another one (the pillaging of Chinese art by Europeans decades/centuries earlier). If scaling interpersonal ethics up to the intercultural is a common fallacy (which it's not), then you have committed the depressingly common fallacy of Argument from Fallacy [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by lainga on Friday August 17, 2018 @01:55PM (#17784579)
If it is not a common fallacy, let me make an appeal to you:

If I go to your house and beat you up, you have every right to call the police on me and they should be able to throw me in jail, and keep an eye on me until I've reformed my ways. However, this doesn't mean you can go to my house and start stealing all my things: just like any other immoral act, as you point out, one crime doesn't absolve another. This should apply even if you're a policeman.

Accordingly, the USSR should not have seized Kaliningrad, Stettin, and Silesia. Don't you think those territories should be returned to Germany?

Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by qiqing on Friday August 17, 2018 @02:47PM (#17784922)
Both of you are lumping all Chinese people together as a monolith. Let's put it this way.

If you come to my house and beat me up and loot my stuff, and then burn most of my house down, but I survive, and then a mob of poor people came by and then destroyed other artifacts in my house, do the actions of the mob of poor people absolve you, the original looter?

Does it complicate or simplify things if you, the original looter, also sold opium to the mob of poor people?

Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by i_am_nomad on Friday August 17, 2018 @03:48PM (#17785225)
And you're lumping Western people together in the exact same way.
Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by qiqing on Friday August 17, 2018 @04:19PM (#17785376)
Would you care to provide some nuance then?
Re:The Great Chinese Art Heist by yarrel on Friday August 17, 2018 @02:50PM (#17784939)
No. If I burn my house down and you've kept my furniture, is your act of theft only harmful to me when I get it returned?

(And this assumes that art is like furniture. Hold my beer...)