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Re:Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’... by fabizeid on Friday August 17, 2018 @08:15AM (#17782191)
Why does it have to be the current version of Musk to be a better version of Musk? Why can't we consider that Musk or his type was instrumental to launch Tesla but at this point a different person is better fit to grow it? Maybe skills needed to sustain a company might be different than the skills needed to launch it.
Re:Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’... by akmiller on Friday August 17, 2018 @09:21AM (#17782594)
I've never bought into this, and without significant evidence proving it to be true, I never will. Removing the soul of the company is never good. I've followed leaders who were passionate about their business and I've worked for companies where there is no passion. Hard to commit to the latter!
Re:Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’... by Fricken on Friday August 17, 2018 @10:01AM (#17782873)
Tim Cook is a pretty boring guy, but he's an adult and he's responsible, and Apple has grown 4 times since he took the reins. Cook has the temerity to consult the experts he's surrounded by before making a big decision. Musk ignores the experts he (used to be) surrounded by and fires them if they resist his efforts to decouple Tesla from reality. Musk has never been a good leader, he's a full-blown textbook narcissist, replete with the deception, cruelty, and delusions of grandeur that it comes with.

It was fall 2016 that Musk made 3 unilateral, and delusional strategic decisions: the Alien Dreadnought, Solar City, and HW2. I call it the ASH doctrine: Musk's 3 point plan to reduce Tesla to ashes. Before that, I thought Tesla had a chance, but since late 2016 I've been on Tesla deathwatch. And now, here we are, no solar shingles, no $35k Model 3, no full self driving, no money, no profit, no credibility, and no surprises to anyone who has been watching this without Musk approved rose coloured glasses.

The bonfire of his vanity is gloaming, and yet the fans are still fanning the flames.

Re:Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’... by kamaal on Friday August 17, 2018 @10:17AM (#17782951)
Re:Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’... by that_jojo on Friday August 17, 2018 @09:19AM (#17782577)
Completely just to play devil's advocate, here: When has a major innovative company ever done better after ousting a visionary but perhaps somewhat toxic founder?

Maybe we could look at Uber, but it's too soon to tell. And The new management there seems earnest, but I'm not sure they're looking so hot from an actual business perspective.

Re:Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’... by mikestew on Friday August 17, 2018 @12:17PM (#17783870)
When has a major innovative company ever done better after ousting a visionary but perhaps somewhat toxic founder?

I don't know, how visionary and/or toxic would you consider the founders of Tesla to be before they got the boot?

Re:Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’... by ABCLAW on Friday August 17, 2018 @02:08PM (#17784641)
How many major innovative companies haven't been headed by a visionary but toxic founder in the first place?

If we're just looking into this question to understand how important neurosis is in creating greatness, I think we need the more obvious counterfactual first.

Re:Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’... by billylindeman on Friday August 17, 2018 @09:58AM (#17782843)
General Motors. William durant vs Alfred Sloan.

But better is relative.

Re:Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’... by that_jojo on Saturday August 18, 2018 @01:38PM (#17789572)
Oh shit, I like this one. Nice work.
Re:Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’... by maxerickson on Friday August 17, 2018 @10:32AM (#17783060)
I think if you want anyone to even try to answer your question you have to list all the companies that qualify as major and innovative.

Otherwise someone responds with an example and you just say that it doesn't count.