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Re:Botched CIA Communications System Helped Blow Cover of Ch... by cascom on Thursday August 16, 2018 @09:28AM (#17774406)
From my brief view into a federal agency:

Employee breakdown is as follows:

1/6 extremely capable and dedicated high performers

1/6 extremely capable and dedicated but go home at 5pm

1/3 average (not going to screw things up massively, but also never going to make a large contribution)

1/3 shocking (as in where do you even find people this useless and disagreeable - if you’re lucky their managers put them in an office and don’t let them touch anything, if not, they wreak havoc)

Re:Botched CIA Communications System Helped Blow Cover of Ch... by pc86 on Thursday August 16, 2018 @10:12AM (#17774718)
So 1/3 high performers, 1/3 average, and 1/3 low performers? Not a particularly amazing revelation.

And why the differentiation between folks who leave after 8 hours of work and those that don't?

Re:Botched CIA Communications System Helped Blow Cover of Ch... by dsl on Thursday August 16, 2018 @08:15PM (#17779451)
It's just silicon valley startup mentality.

You literally work inside a room with no windows, poor ventilation, and sound dampening. Anyone who doesn't go home after 8 hours has something wrong with them.

Re:Botched CIA Communications System Helped Blow Cover of Ch... by cascom on Friday August 17, 2018 @08:33AM (#17782285)
The low performers are beyond low performers, the 6th decile at the federal govnerment would be the bottom decile at most larger well run private organizations. Again i am talking white collar federal government.

At the margin, in corporate america salaried professionals have a focus on deadlines and deliverables (because a. If the company goes under They’re out of a job and b. If they consistently miss deadlines they’re out of a job), so if that means the occasional late night, or an an expectation around a 10 hr work day - ok. On the federal government side the attitude CAN be “if it’s late, it’s late - what are they going to do, fire me?” Without some sense of urgency (however that is inspired) productivity is bad and tends to get worse.

Re:Botched CIA Communications System Helped Blow Cover of Ch... by anotheramala on Thursday August 16, 2018 @11:26AM (#17775453)
Because federal employees cannot practically be fired it is very common to try to move them sideways to get rid of them. Eventually they just get promoted.
Re:Botched CIA Communications System Helped Blow Cover of Ch... by wmfiv on Thursday August 16, 2018 @09:51AM (#17774569)
These numbers look pretty good compared to my experience with large corporate organizations.
Re:Botched CIA Communications System Helped Blow Cover of Ch... by FactolSarin on Thursday August 16, 2018 @09:36AM (#17774460)
So like a normal office, then? :)
Re:Botched CIA Communications System Helped Blow Cover of Ch... by jessaustin on Thursday August 16, 2018 @09:52AM (#17774578)
Normal offices have layoffs now and then, which in many cases target the latter third.