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Re:Platforms Are Not Publishers by pavlov on Sunday August 12, 2018 @10:02AM (#17744383)
I’m curious: how do you reconcile your support of nation states on one hand and a “free market of ideas” on the other? Nation states are built on a foundation of one idea — ethnicity derived from geography, language and racial perceptions — towering over all other ideas as an unquestionable absolute that affords sovereignty to those deemed worthy of membership.

The greatest feature of the United States of America is that it was never a nation state.

Re:Platforms Are Not Publishers by mymythisisthis on Sunday August 12, 2018 @11:32AM (#17744769)
We are in a nihilist low right now. I don't except that the United States will have any answers. This is because it is an 18th century experiment in governance. People are realizing that the experiment has run its course. I believe we will see a resurgence of 'guilds' for a lack of a better word (except in the United States that is stuck in an outdated experiment). Being a doctor or an engineer is almost an international designation now, their papers are accepted in many countries. International bodies of doctors and engineers will start to gain more power. Perhaps licensed bodies will demand a seat in parliament. For example all the doctors get to vote for a representative in parliament, amongst the reps whose seats are geographically based, engineers as well get one seat. This won't happen in the United States, but maybe one of the former eastern European Countries. The United States has shown that treating someone without education the same as someone with an education doesn't work.
Re:Platforms Are Not Publishers by otterlicious on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:29PM (#17745076)
The United States has shown that treating someone without education the same as someone with an education doesn't work.

Our problems aren't created by uneducated people, they're created by educated people who are taking advantage of uneducated people. Removing that step from the equation makes their job easier, not harder.

Re:Platforms Are Not Publishers by mymythisisthis on Sunday August 12, 2018 @03:43PM (#17746071)
The question is who should be the ruling class Not the rich because they already have power. Not the uneducated because that won't turn out well. There are two groups; 1)The students that got a C in a technical course 2)Middle class people with more knowledge in culture than money

One problem wit the United States is that the technical professions have let themselves be so marginalized. The Deep Water Horizon disaster would not have happened if the engineers had as much power as the managers.

This is my point, the technical class in the United States doesn't realize it should have more political power. Scientists get kicked around too much.

Any new country should see what happened in the United States and give more power to its technical class. This would be more of a meritocracy.

Re:Platforms Are Not Publishers by 21 on Sunday August 12, 2018 @10:40AM (#17744538)
> ethnicity derived from geography, language and racial perceptions

This cuts both ways. See what happens in states where the border does not respect these local realities, for example where you have sunni led by shia or the other way around. Or look at Africa where Western powers drew lines on maps without respecting ethnicity.

Nation state is one form of decentralization, letting people govern themselves how they want.

Though experiment: imagine that there was a single global state, with one set of laws and institutions. How do you think that would work out?

Re:Platforms Are Not Publishers by kraken_cult on Sunday August 12, 2018 @11:06AM (#17744645)
And furthermore, how do we collectively decide which laws and institutions are codified and which ones are not? How do we ensure that the life and dignity of a rural fisherman is supported to the same degree as an ivy-league educated programmer?
Re:Platforms Are Not Publishers by aokiji on Sunday August 12, 2018 @11:05AM (#17744643)
It is entirely possible. Consider how the United States have some of the best free speech laws in the world, and how that is now threatened with the control of the Internet being handed to the United Nations under Obama.

An overreaching organization without a face for accountability is prone to disaster, as recent decades have shown. As a curiosity, the United Nations have had a former Nazi at its head. This situation was only rectified thanks to the United States.

https://unbrigandage.wordpress.com/2013/12/16/nazi-at-the-un...

Re:Platforms Are Not Publishers by dang on Sunday August 12, 2018 @02:32PM (#17745685)
Please do not use HN for ideological battle. This site is for intellectual curiosity, and the two aren't compatible.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Platforms Are Not Publishers by aokiji on Sunday August 12, 2018 @03:25PM (#17745983)
Where was the ideological battle? I was just pointing out an example.