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Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by pfdietz on Saturday August 11, 2018 @06:55PM (#17741982)
The evidence for a massive impact precisely at the K/T boundary is ironclad. Any alternate theory in which the impact was not causal has to explain how this incredible coincidence (the largest impact in the past 100 million years occurring in a layer deposited in just thousands of years, right at the boundary) occurred.
Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by ian0 on Saturday August 11, 2018 @09:03PM (#17742383)
This struck me as precisely the type of thing that they were giving out about in the article. So I asked a geologist was there more to it. They said:

The Cretaceous-Paleocene event is dated to 66m years ago [1]. The crater has been dated to 65m years ago [2]. The deccan traps was from 63-69m years ago with the bulk of activity 66m years ago [3].

Obviously both the volcano and the meteor were life-changing events. Of the three events the fossil record analysis is the hardest to analyse. But there are indications that the volcanos main activity may have preceded the meteor and that while the meteor did obviously contribute may not have been the main cause of the extinction. IE the dinosaurs may have been on their way out before it, or it may have been a "combination" of the two.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous%E2%80%93Paleogene_e...

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17789640

[3] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02981139

Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by mirimir on Saturday August 11, 2018 @10:55PM (#17742668)
If that dating is at all accurate, it seems pretty obvious that both Deccan Traps and the Chicxulub impact contributed. I don't get why it's gotta be either-or.
Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by pfdietz on Saturday August 11, 2018 @10:35PM (#17742638)
There is no evidence the dinosaurs were on their way out. The evidence is entirely consistent with abrupt extinction with no precursor decline.

The global mass extinction killed things that can be much more precisely dated than dinosaurs. Forams, for example, go extinct right at the impact boundary, cut off like a knife.

Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by furins on Sunday August 12, 2018 @02:57AM (#17743285)
Geologist here: I've studied in 1997-2003, than I've had a PhD in stratigraphy in 2007. I researched on a similar subject trying to identify what caused "dinosaurs" appearence (spoiler: another extinction event). At that time the two hypotheses, at least in Europe, were still presented as equally valid.

How these two phenomena can be equally the cause of the mass extinction at the end of Cretaceous?

Two reasons, at least. The first is the uncertainty about how rapid was the decline of Life. Any geologic date has an error, so it is extremely hard to assess the velocity of geological events. Around the K/T boundary most rock samples cannot be dated with a precision greater than a million year, that means that 2 separate events have the same probability to be coeval or separated by hundreds of thousands years with 95% confidence. In these case the uncertainty cannot allow us to distinguish an abrupt event from a slow one. More precisely, some rocks can actually be dated with an error of ~10000 years, like the iridium anomaly, or like the Deccan's lava but forams does not live inside lava. So you have to correlate events, to find proxy signals like changes in water geochemistry and so on. This increases uncertainties when dealing with fossils, and may be an easy way to denigrate palaeontological studies, but there are still evidences of a progressive decline.

The second reason is that the decline in marine ecosystems was sharp after the iridium anomaly, but we cannot explain why that precise impact killed big reptiles on sea and land whereas hundreds of other asteroids that hit the Earth during mesozoic had not. It was surely not the asteroid impact alone. There are evidences that all the mass extinction events are not instantaneous, but they are all related to a sequence of (misfortunated) events in rapid sequence. The emplacement of igneous provinces has proven to be a common menace for life on Earth. Asteroids too.

What we actually "read" in the rocks is that Deccan's traps paved the way, the Yucatan impact provided a massive stroke, and the closeness of these two events finished the survivors. In my opinion the "war" between scientists was more an US phenomenon related to their need to get access to NSF funds. The cool one got all.

Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by samth on Saturday August 11, 2018 @11:27PM (#17742737)
The article is, roughly, about a geologist who studies exactly forams and disagrees.
Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by pfdietz on Sunday August 12, 2018 @07:24AM (#17743900)
Yes, and others who study forams have looked at the same evidence and come to different conclusions. Someone's inferences are not following the same logic as others, and the most parsimonious explanation is that it's this person -- who I understand has become somewhat notorious -- not the rest of the scientific community.
Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by Drdrdrq on Sunday August 12, 2018 @11:14AM (#17744679)
And you know better because...?

The main point of the article is that the issue is far from settled, and that evidence for both sides is lacking. Until the consensus is reached through scientific means (instead of bullying) the matter is not closed.

Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by stephengillie on Sunday August 12, 2018 @11:25AM (#17744729)
Could you link to some of this purported notoriety?
Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by goatlover on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:42AM (#17742953)
The article states that some scientists disagree and have evidence to back their claim that life was on it's way out.
Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by vertline2 on Saturday August 11, 2018 @08:46PM (#17742326)
Is it possible for a meteor to cause a chain of volcanoes to blow? like all the pressure under the crust gets rattled around?
Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by ridgeguy on Sunday August 12, 2018 @12:08AM (#17742838)
Maybe.

On Mercury, it seems the impact that created the Caloris basin [1] may also have created a seriously busted-up region at its antipode (opposite on the planet from the impact) [2]. This may have happened due to shock waves propagating through Mercury's interior, focused by reflection at the planet's surface onto an area opposite the impact. There are alternate theories.

A few years ago, I looked into whether the Deccan Traps eruptions might have been either triggered or enhanced by similar antipodal seismic wave energy from the Chicxulub impact. Based on Earth's continental positions about 65M years ago, it seemed possible, maybe plausible. There were some papers discussing the possibility, but I don't have the data at hand.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloris_Planitia [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloris_Planitia#Antipodal_cha...

Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by flukus on Sunday August 12, 2018 @11:45PM (#17747896)
> A few years ago, I looked into whether the Deccan Traps eruptions might have been either triggered or enhanced by similar antipodal seismic wave energy from the Chicxulub impact. Based on Earth's continental positions about 65M years ago, it seemed possible, maybe plausible. There were some papers discussing the possibility, but I don't have the data at hand.

Could it be worked backwards, there a re a number of flood basalts, some as recently as 10mya, is there any evidence of impacts for any others? Or is there some reason the Deccan traps stand out compared to the others?

Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by ridgeguy on Thursday August 16, 2018 @10:12PM (#17779834)
Good idea. There may be enough impact and vulcanism events with reasonably good dating to search for the former as a cause of the latter.
Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by listenYou on Saturday August 11, 2018 @11:10PM (#17742693)
I mean, this is definitely my goto theory. Everything tied up in one single package.

But, unfortunately, just because we like something, doesn't mean it really went down that way. And rightfully so, a horde of nerds will come out of the woodwork, to inform us if we were to claim the validity of an event, without true evidence in hand.

Either way, it won't stop me from harboring a deep suspicion that this is exactly what happened.

Mostly, my own belief is founded in similar conceptual origins for the moon.

Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by dmoy on Saturday August 11, 2018 @10:01PM (#17742559)
Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by imh on Sunday August 12, 2018 @04:31PM (#17746263)
Possible yes. ctrl+f "Some scientists have attempted to find a middle ground between the two camps." in OP for more info and links.
Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by stephengillie on Sunday August 12, 2018 @11:28AM (#17744745)
Maybe volcanic debris somehow interacted with a passing object (like Messenger-1) and changed its trajectory to pass through Earth?

It's very human to want to connect these events into a cohesive narrative, but there is still the possibility that they were independent events in our universe.

Re:What Caused the Dinosaur Extinction? by sseth on Sunday August 12, 2018 @03:06PM (#17745883)
Whether that is possible or not, the primary theory for the Deccan Traps is that they were initially formed as India drifted towards Asia and passed over volcanically active area that lies under the present Reunion islands.