Couple the two together makes it for a comment that doesn't honestly want to drive good conversation.
It's not even that he's lying or citing bad data. It's the conclusions he's drawing from it that I find suspect. He seems to be closely mirroring the talking points of a certain controversial public figure. A figure who only seems to be bothered by the wholesale corporate exploitation of the working class when it benefits a foreign country.
What blatant lies? Everything there looks true, except maybe the employment figures (the US figure apparently includes all people working in the "the iOS ecosystem", which seems totally bogus to me), but that's actually being generous to Apple.
Edit: Just to quickly fact check the other stuff:
> That dictatorship now has imprisoned close to 1 million people in Xinjiang.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/former-inm...
> Shame on you, Sundar Pichai. At least when Google was lead by Erich Schmidt, Google pulled out of China, and didn't bend to the whims of Chinese government.
Google stops cooperating with Chinese censorship in 2010: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-ch...
Censored Google being developed in 2018: https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/google-china-search-engi...
> Shame on you, Mark Zuckerberg, for continuing to appease the dictator in China, so that Facebook may gain a foothold there.
Zuckerberg shamelessly sucking up to Xi/CCP: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1658272/zuckerberg-h...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-...
> Shame on you, Satya Nadella, for continuing to supply censored search results in Bing. and for not taking a stand against censorship.
Bing censoring Chinese search results: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/11/bing-cens...
> Shame on you, Jeff Bezos. You become the richest man on earth, by allowing pirated, stolen, IP infriged goods from China to be sold on your platform without care
Amazon's counterfeit problem: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/amazo...
Trade with China has helped lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, while helping with the prosperity of the United States. True the corporations are reaping most of the benefits, but that's natural under a free market. We need reforms here in America to broaden the benefits of trade to all workers. Outsourcing to Asian countries existed prior to China's rise in the supply chain. Most of the stuff that is "Made in China" have major components that come from America's allies such as Japan, Korea, and Taiwan.
Google is in a position to offer a superior search product to China. We should see this as an opportunity to advance freedom.
Entering the Chinese market also lends prestige to the censoring regime (e.g. "all the companies of the world submit to our demands"), and also makes those demands seem more reasonable.
> Rather Google should be using its influence to challenge censorship from the inside after it reenters the Chinese market.
The CCP doesn't care at all about Google's challenges to it. Either Google complies totally, or it's out. The CCP doesn't need Google, and they probably would rather people use Baidu anyway.
The ideal option that we'd all love to see, of the Chinese people given full and free access to uncensored and unmonitored information, is unlikely to be on offer any time soon. Refusing to meet the Communist Party's demands has only meant that control of information by the Party goes unchallenged in any way. Search is not something so unique and powerful that only specially smart Westerners can do it. As a result, holding out for this ideal is equivalent to actively advocating for the status quo.
That's the question at hand. Do we prefer posturing in the form of a moral stand that hurts people and strengthens the Communist Party or do we accept that other options might be worth considering?
Pleasing Soviet Union never help.
However, there are also several plausible, non-trivial concerns that seem like they should be included in a comprehensive conversation, but are often left out. Mobmobmob mentioned a few specific ones, do you have an opinion on the severity of the risks he mentioned?
Shame on you, Sundar Pichai. At least when Google was lead by Erich Schmidt, Google pulled out of China, and didn't bend to the whims of Chinese government.
Shame on you, Tim Cook. Apple has 4.8 million jobs in China, more than double the jobs in US. https://247wallst.com/jobs/2017/03/17/apple-supports-4-8-mil... . Shame on you for not bringing jobs back when news broke out that Foxconn has created a slave labor like working condition.
Shame on you, Mark Zuckerberg, for continuing to appease the dictator in China, so that Facebook may gain a foothold there.
Shame on you, Satya Nadella, for continuing to supply censored search results in Bing. and for not taking a stand against censorship. But I guess the microsoft borgship has a lot in common with China.
Shame on you, Jeff Bezos. You become the richest man on earth, by allowing pirated, stolen, IP infriged goods from China to be sold on your platform without care, destroying small US businesses. You also partnered with Foxconn for Amazon Echo, tablet, and other hardwares. Amazon is a showcase for trade imbalance. disgusting.